| bryce | hi all | Aug 05 12:00 |
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| rindolf | oh , meeting time - forgot about it. | Aug 05 12:00 |
| brynn | hi | Aug 05 12:00 |
| rindolf | hi | Aug 05 12:00 |
| bryce | http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_Meetings | Aug 05 12:00 |
| bryce | I hope everyone's having a nice summer | Aug 05 12:01 |
| fguimont | hi | Aug 05 12:02 |
| tedg | It is a bit hot :-) | Aug 05 12:02 |
| bryce | I didn't announce that we'd do a release meeting, but if anyone wishes to stick around we can chat post-meeting | Aug 05 12:02 |
| Tavmjong | ============ Board Meeting ============ | Aug 05 12:02 |
| Tavmjong | Hi all! | Aug 05 12:02 |
| Tavmjong | Where is hot? | Aug 05 12:03 |
| tedg | It is hot in Texas. | Aug 05 12:03 |
| tedg | August is not a good time to visit. | Aug 05 12:03 |
| bryce | tedg, maybe you should move back to Phoenix | Aug 05 12:03 |
| fguimont | It's even hot in Canada. | Aug 05 12:03 |
| brynn | Colorado hot too! | Aug 05 12:03 |
| Tavmjong | Rather cool here (but damp). | Aug 05 12:03 |
| tedg | bryce: Heh, yeah, cool Phoenix. | Aug 05 12:04 |
| bryce | perfect here in Oregon | Aug 05 12:04 |
| bryce | so, I think there is nothing ultra urgent at the moment, but we do have a lot of items on our agenda page. | Aug 05 12:04 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon ? ScislaC ? | Aug 05 12:05 |
| tedg | So I think my thing there about Oct, we decided to not look at that because the GUADEC thing was replacing it, right? | Aug 05 12:05 |
| doctormon | Tavmjong: | Aug 05 12:05 |
| Tavmjong | Hey doctormon ! | Aug 05 12:05 |
| ScislaC | Hi | Aug 05 12:06 |
| Tavmjong | I'm afraid I didn't do anything about GUADEC. The past month was quite busy. I never heard back from Alex if he could go. | Aug 05 12:06 |
| bryce | tedg, ok that's fine. Don't worry looking further into that, I'll drop the action item. | Aug 05 12:07 |
| bryce | doctormon, unless you're still interested in chasing that thread further yourself? | Aug 05 12:08 |
| doctormon | bryce: For Guadec? no. | Aug 05 12:08 |
| bryce | doctormon, alright | Aug 05 12:08 |
| bryce | doctormon, what about unaligned with guadec? are you still interested in trying to organize something there in boston unrelated to that? | Aug 05 12:09 |
| doctormon | https://wiki.gnome.org/Events/Summit still has no details for 2016, I think I might poke people at RedHat and MIT for that. | Aug 05 12:10 |
| doctormon | Who is interested from this group of people, to coming to Boston? | Aug 05 12:10 |
| Tavmjong | I would be interested. | Aug 05 12:10 |
| doctormon | Last year was Oct 10th | Aug 05 12:11 |
| tedg | It is usually Columbus Day | Aug 05 12:11 |
| tedg | (which is a holiday I learned about by going to the event) | Aug 05 12:12 |
| doctormon | OK, that would peg it to October 10th this year too | Aug 05 12:12 |
| doctormon | Or I should say, October 7th-10th weekend | Aug 05 12:13 |
| tedg | Yeah, that's what I found too. A bit weird that it's the same day. But eh, independent verification :-) | Aug 05 12:13 |
| doctormon | (last year 10th was the start) | Aug 05 12:13 |
| bryce | might be worth seeing if kk or alex would be interested | Aug 05 12:14 |
| ScislaC | KK has no more vacation time left last I saw | Aug 05 12:14 |
| bryce | ah | Aug 05 12:14 |
| bryce | well, assuming martin + tav + 1-2 others, does that seem like a reasonable number to try and organize something? | Aug 05 12:15 |
| Tavmjong | Alex seemed to be short on vacation time too... | Aug 05 12:15 |
| doctormon | I think 4 is a good magic number | Aug 05 12:15 |
| Tavmjong | Yeah, 4 would be minimum, me thinks. | Aug 05 12:16 |
| doctormon | OK I will work on that bryce, I'll update next meeting if we have enough interest | Aug 05 12:17 |
| bryce | doctormon, I know Oct 10 is coming up soon so rather short notice... how would you feel about trying to get something set up for Boston for us? | Aug 05 12:17 |
| doctormon | Not a problem. | Aug 05 12:17 |
| tedg | I'm not sure that we'd gain too much by aligning with GNOME there, it might be easier to be more flexible. | Aug 05 12:17 |
| bryce | doctormon, ok cool | Aug 05 12:17 |
| doctormon | tedg: What kind of event would you go to? | Aug 05 12:17 |
| bryce | tedg, explain? | Aug 05 12:17 |
| doctormon | (just curious) | Aug 05 12:17 |
| tedg | I mean, we could have a hackfest without it being the same as the GNOME event. | Aug 05 12:18 |
| tedg | So if things are available the weekend after or in a location not close to MIT, that seems worthwhile to me. | Aug 05 12:18 |
| tedg | doctormon: Honestly, somewhere that I thought if I came I'd be helpful. | Aug 05 12:18 |
| doctormon | True. tedg what have you been working on recently? (I haven't been tracking much) | Aug 05 12:18 |
| bryce | so we had brainstormed a few ideas in addition to Boston | Aug 05 12:19 |
| tedg | Not a lot of Inkscape stuff really, mostly just trying to get a snap building for 0.92. | Aug 05 12:19 |
| bryce | one is SCALE oriented, the other would be whereever but be fully focused on hacking | Aug 05 12:19 |
| doctormon | Focuses I think might be important > Gtk3/C++11 > Mac Build > 1.0 polishing | Aug 05 12:20 |
| bryce | For a SCALE event, my guess is it'd be better treated as outreach/user-oriented than as a hackfest | Aug 05 12:21 |
| tedg | Yeah, it might be interesting to do a graphics mini-conf there more than an Inkscape thing. The graphics track at TXLF was well attended. | Aug 05 12:21 |
| bryce | Tav wrote a page for us on scoping out a more focused hackfest - http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest_0.93 | Aug 05 12:21 |
| bryce | ^^^ please add additional ideas for focused hackfest topics to that page | Aug 05 12:22 |
| bryce | a few random thoughts, if we have a hackfest unrelated to an event, that frees us up to pick a location that optimizes travel cost/time | Aug 05 12:23 |
| tedg | Is the move to Github timing figured out? That might be something good to do with a group of folks together. | Aug 05 12:24 |
| tedg | Would be nice to tie in Travis CI at the same time. | Aug 05 12:24 |
| doctormon | Agreed, github would be good to do. I'd also like to prioritise whatever time and place is good for the whole board to attend. | Aug 05 12:24 |
| bryce | tedg, I've not seen a discussion about that. | Aug 05 12:24 |
| tedg | bryce: Oh, I thought it was decided. We should put that on an agenda somewhere. | Aug 05 12:25 |
| Tavmjong | We discussed it in Leeds. | Aug 05 12:25 |
| bryce | the vacation time issue seems a pertinent topic | Aug 05 12:25 |
| bryce | timing it to fall on common holidays might be an idea | Aug 05 12:26 |
| doctormon | Except for Tav, are we all in the USA now? | Aug 05 12:26 |
| tedg | Yeah, but Common Holidays Are Hard™ | Aug 05 12:26 |
| tedg | They don't all align usually. | Aug 05 12:26 |
| bryce | tedg, yeah I hate imposing on people's family vacations :-/ | Aug 05 12:26 |
| tedg | That too. | Aug 05 12:26 |
| tedg | We should do a Disney Cruise! ;-) | Aug 05 12:27 |
| doctormon | Euro Disney! | Aug 05 12:27 |
| Tavmjong | I would prefer East Coast US. | Aug 05 12:27 |
| tedg | I think it's going to take someone just leading and deciding a time and we'll have to hope folks will make it. Nothing is perfect. | Aug 05 12:27 |
| Tavmjong | I'm not a Euro Disney fan but at least its only an hour away. | Aug 05 12:27 |
| bryce | are there any cities where we already have 2+ people? | Aug 05 12:28 |
| tedg | Closest would probably be SF where KK is and ScislaC is very close. | Aug 05 12:28 |
| bryce | SF is close for me too | Aug 05 12:28 |
| bryce | hotels aren't cheap though... | Aug 05 12:29 |
| doctormon | My house comes with spare room :-P why does no one elses. | Aug 05 12:29 |
| tedg | Well, I guess the opposite of that is we could convince KK to drive to ScislaC's house :-) | Aug 05 12:29 |
| Tavmjong | If it is timed to the GSoC Mentor's meeting, that could cover my airfare (but I wasn't planning on going). | Aug 05 12:29 |
| tedg | Oh, that's an interesting idea. | Aug 05 12:29 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: When is that? | Aug 05 12:30 |
| ScislaC | Indeed | Aug 05 12:30 |
| Tavmjong | End of October, I think. Let me check. | Aug 05 12:30 |
| doctormon | My costs are airfair + hotel + child care, I don't claim child care expenses obviously, but the longer the trip during workdays, the more expensive. | Aug 05 12:32 |
| Tavmjong | GSoC Mentor's meeting is Fri. Oct 28 - Sun, Oct 30. | Aug 05 12:33 |
| bryce | that might be nice for solidifying relationship with the students too | Aug 05 12:34 |
| tedg | I don't think the students are at that event. | Aug 05 12:34 |
| Tavmjong | I was planning on going to the Graphical Web Conference (SVG Open) from Nov 1-4th. | Aug 05 12:34 |
| bryce | tedg, oh? hm | Aug 05 12:34 |
| ScislaC | Where is it Tav? | Aug 05 12:34 |
| Tavmjong | Students don't attend GSoC Mento'rs meeting. | Aug 05 12:34 |
| bryce | yeah we wouldn't want to overlap halloween | Aug 05 12:34 |
| doctormon | Tavmjong: Is that the one I went to last year? | Aug 05 12:35 |
| Tavmjong | Exeter, England | Aug 05 12:35 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon: Yes. It should be better attended that the one in Pittsburgh. | Aug 05 12:35 |
| Tavmjong | I think we're having an SVG working group meeting then. | Aug 05 12:35 |
| doctormon | Yeah I blacked the pittsburgh trip out, it was like being the last man standing at a bar. | Aug 05 12:36 |
| bryce | doctormon, that bad? | Aug 05 12:36 |
| ScislaC | What happened in Pittsburgh and when? | Aug 05 12:36 |
| Tavmjong | Graphical Web conference. It was poorly attended. The organizer lost his shirt. | Aug 05 12:37 |
| doctormon | I was sick too, but the majority of attendees were students (adobe) and facility. Had a couple of useful discussions with some adobe people actually, but it was mostly upper class hob-nobbing. Not much use for inkscape there. | Aug 05 12:37 |
| ScislaC | yikes | Aug 05 12:37 |
| Tavmjong | SVG Open was a pretty nice conference and the Adobe convinced them to expand to all things Graphical and it kind of lost its way. | Aug 05 12:39 |
| Tavmjong | s/the Adobe/then Adobe/ | Aug 05 12:39 |
| doctormon | That sort of makes sense with what I saw | Aug 05 12:40 |
| Tavmjong | The conference in Exeter is sponsored by the English weather organization who, of course, are very interested in presenting data graphically. | Aug 05 12:40 |
| doctormon | Do you think d3 will attend? | Aug 05 12:40 |
| tedg | Yes, but only rain ;-) | Aug 05 12:40 |
| Tavmjong | The previous year's conference in Winchester had a lot of people from the UK press. d3 was at that one. | Aug 05 12:41 |
| doctormon | Interesting, | Aug 05 12:41 |
| bryce | a few other random questions on location... Align to Inkscaper presence: Reno? Portland? San Francisco? Los Angeles? Or, in interest of maximizing attendance align to family-friendly spots: Sacramento? Orlando? New Orleans? Las Vegas? etc. | Aug 05 12:42 |
| Tavmjong | Bigger cities are better for air connections. | Aug 05 12:43 |
| tedg | I doubt I'd be able to bring family anyway, so that isn't a benefit to me. But I'm fine with either. | Aug 05 12:44 |
| Tavmjong | Hey, can't beat Paris for keeping the family busy. | Aug 05 12:44 |
| bryce | ok optimizing for air connections adds Chicago, Denver, New York | Aug 05 12:45 |
| brynn | I could help organize for Denver, but doubtful if I could attend | Aug 05 12:45 |
| bryce | fwiw, the length of the hackfest plays a factor - longer hackfests weight hotel cost savings heavier than airfare | Aug 05 12:46 |
| bryce | how many days do we want to plan for? | Aug 05 12:46 |
| doctormon | The week was useful in England | Aug 05 12:46 |
| Tavmjong | Three days minimum, more would be better. | Aug 05 12:47 |
| bryce | 5? 7? | Aug 05 12:47 |
| Tavmjong | LGM basically was an extension of the hackfest. | Aug 05 12:47 |
| doctormon | 3-6, I'd go for 5, it allows you to dig into some deep stuff. | Aug 05 12:47 |
| doctormon | That's true, we used LGM to sort a bunch of things. | Aug 05 12:47 |
| Tavmjong | 7 would be probably too long (burn out, being away from family). | Aug 05 12:47 |
| bryce | *nod* | Aug 05 12:48 |
| doctormon | I'd also say that a group arangement for hotel would be preferable. I really dislike sorting out a place to stay and then re-claiming. I'd pay for my own airfair if I could be sorted with a bed without an drawn out expenses faff. | Aug 05 12:49 |
| bryce | and should it span a weekend, e.g. Th/F/S/S/M or should it be M-F? | Aug 05 12:49 |
| doctormon | Depends on airfairs, I think they're cheaper during the week right? | Aug 05 12:49 |
| bryce | doctormon, one idea we'd kicked around would be to air-bnb a big house | Aug 05 12:49 |
| Tavmjong | Don't forget a travel day before/after. | Aug 05 12:49 |
| doctormon | +local person to view the house, no more in door water falls | Aug 05 12:50 |
| Tavmjong | Over one weekend would probably be better family wise. | Aug 05 12:51 |
| bryce | fwiw if we did Portland my wife's volunteered to do logistics | Aug 05 12:53 |
| doctormon | nice :-) | Aug 05 12:53 |
| doctormon | Always wanted to go to portlandia | Aug 05 12:53 |
| tedg | Woot! Done! ;-) | Aug 05 12:53 |
| bryce | hah :-) | Aug 05 12:53 |
| bryce | I could probably rope Kees Cook and some other local techies to come by at least for one of the days | Aug 05 12:54 |
| bryce | I know Portland's not a main travel hub and a long haul esp. from Europe | Aug 05 12:55 |
| bryce | but I'll take an action to draft up some ideas | Aug 05 12:55 |
| doctormon | sounds good | Aug 05 12:55 |
| Tavmjong | 13hrs minimum from Paris | Aug 05 12:55 |
| bryce | ok, we're nearly at the hour... any other topics people want to discuss? | Aug 05 12:56 |
| Tavmjong | Quick question for tedg: What exactly is Snap? | Aug 05 12:56 |
| doctormon | Some website updates | Aug 05 12:56 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, Canonical's NIH packaging system afaict | Aug 05 12:57 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: It is a format for shipping things confined to various desktops | Aug 05 12:57 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: Comes preinstalled on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, so we can push teh latest versions there without needed a Ubuntu Dev to do it for us. | Aug 05 12:57 |
| bryce | doctormon, please go ahead | Aug 05 12:57 |
| doctormon | Local red hatters won't even talk to me about it, something about being a PR disaster. | Aug 05 12:57 |
| doctormon | OK, website updates | Aug 05 12:58 |
| Tavmjong | Is there an equivalent for other distributions? | Aug 05 12:58 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: http://snapcraft.io/ | Aug 05 12:58 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: There are a bunch of different similar formats, nothing has gained market share really. | Aug 05 12:59 |
| Tavmjong | OK, I see it works for all. This would mean we don't have to worry about supporting old library versions on Linux. | Aug 05 12:59 |
| doctormon | Web: Test coverage is up; every GET, breadcrumbs and object is covered now. | Aug 05 12:59 |
| doctormon | Web: Caching is much improved, speed is up to reasonable, cache testing is in the next cycle (almost finished) | Aug 05 12:59 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: Correct, they'd get bundled into the single image. We'd choose the versions. So we could ship older or newer at our choosing. | Aug 05 12:59 |
| doctormon | Web: Alerts are proving useful, we've had a mass of content translations in the last few months, french, portugues and chinese. | Aug 05 13:00 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: If you want to play with what I have, it is here: https://launchpad.net/~ted/+snap/inkscape | Aug 05 13:00 |
| doctormon | tedg: Can we ship a paid for version yet? | Aug 05 13:00 |
| tedg | doctormon: Yeah, and we can do fixed donation prices, just not variable. | Aug 05 13:01 |
| doctormon | Web: Release app is prepared for the next release, but will need to be tested some more. | Aug 05 13:01 |
| doctormon | tedg: sounds good | Aug 05 13:01 |
| tedg | doctormon: Unfortunatly I keep hear about, but not seeing, an option that is all donation (like where Canonical doesn't take a cut) | Aug 05 13:02 |
| doctormon | Web: we're ready to move to git and github in the web team. Just need the nod from the rest of the team. | Aug 05 13:02 |
| tedg | doctormon: I think the volume is too low to get the business folks involved figuring that out yet :-/ | Aug 05 13:02 |
| doctormon | tedg: We need market creators, not business folks. Such small world thinking ;-) | Aug 05 13:02 |
| tedg | doctormon: I'm not excited about it until then. | Aug 05 13:02 |
| doctormon | End Web/> | Aug 05 13:03 |
| bryce | doctormon, thanks for the web update. Any thing you need board help with atm? | Aug 05 13:03 |
| bryce | ok, last call for topics, else EOM. | Aug 05 13:03 |
| doctormon | I think we're good. The forum people might have an update. The website won't be used for the forum though. | Aug 05 13:03 |
| doctormon | brynn, any news? | Aug 05 13:04 |
| brynn | Not much, people are busy, but a couple of little progress | Aug 05 13:04 |
| brynn | Courney didn't want to give us access to his server, so we're trying to sort out how to get backups and where to put them | Aug 05 13:05 |
| brynn | I set up an account on Framapad so we can work on the documentation | Aug 05 13:05 |
| brynn | That's about all to report, at this time. | Aug 05 13:05 |
| doctormon | Any progress on getting the domain name? | Aug 05 13:05 |
| brynn | No, but I have a question to ask you privately about that. There's no reason we can't get that going, it just needs to be in smaller steps | Aug 05 13:06 |
| doctormon | ok, no problem | Aug 05 13:06 |
| doctormon | thanks for all your hard work brynn | Aug 05 13:06 |
| brynn | You're welcome :-) | Aug 05 13:06 |
| bryce | bryce, thanks | Aug 05 13:07 |
| doctormon | lol, | Aug 05 13:07 |
| bryce | alright, thanks all | Aug 05 13:07 |
| bryce | === End of Meeting == | Aug 05 13:08 |
| bryce | if anyone's interested in discussing release stuff, I'm up for it | Aug 05 13:08 |
| tedg | bryce: Are you playing release manager for this release? | Aug 05 13:09 |
| bryce | tedg, yeah | Aug 05 13:09 |
| doctormon | The records say yes: https://inkscape.org/en/release/0.92/?latest=1 | Aug 05 13:09 |
| tedg | bryce: K, so I have a couple of changes to the location independent binaries that I'd like to put in. I don't think anyone else is using that code anymore, right? Want to make sure I didn't break them if so. | Aug 05 13:10 |
| bryce | I really want to get it wrapped up. Not sure entirely what to do about the blocker bugs | Aug 05 13:10 |
| doctormon | bryce: start prodding people about specific bugs. | Aug 05 13:10 |
| bryce | tedg, I've really lost track entirely of the location independent packaging work | Aug 05 13:11 |
| tedg | bryce: Yeah, I think the last "snap like thing" that added that code died. | Aug 05 13:12 |
| tedg | Anyway, the way the cmake build works with the sublibs broke it. So I'm pretty sure no one else was using it :-) | Aug 05 13:12 |
| bryce | tedg, if you're concerned of possible breakage, maybe package your patch in your packaging (ala whatever your equivalent of debian/patches/*.patch is) | Aug 05 13:13 |
| bryce | in any case, feel free to land the changes in trunk. 0.92 is now on a stable release branch | Aug 05 13:14 |
| tedg | bryce: Well, there is no such concept in Snaps. But, I'm not too worried, just wanted to test. | Aug 05 13:14 |
| bryce | ok | Aug 05 13:17 |
| bryce | doctormon, sounds easy in theory doesn't it? ;-) | Aug 05 13:18 |
| bryce | alright, well thanks everyone, TTYL | Aug 05 13:18 |
| doctormon | yep :-) | Aug 05 13:18 |
| doctormon | thanks bryce, sweome meeting | Aug 05 13:19 |
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