| doctormon | bryce: meeting today? | Mar 03 11:23 |
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| Tavmjong | doctormon! | Mar 03 11:23 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon: Meeting in 37 minutes. | Mar 03 11:23 |
| doctormon | Tavmjong: Great, thanks! I've been training in inkscape http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Livery-Training-666691192 | Mar 03 11:23 |
| Tavmjong | Is that the same train as to Winchester? | Mar 03 11:25 |
| Tavmjong | ScislaC! | Mar 03 11:25 |
| doctormon | Tavmjong: They run the whole southern rail service, so probably. | Mar 03 11:26 |
| Tavmjong | Colors looked familiar. | Mar 03 11:27 |
| doctormon | how are you doing Tavmjong? | Mar 03 11:48 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon: Pretty good. Been swimming and biking a lot... lost a few pounds. And you? | Mar 03 11:49 |
| doctormon | Tavmjong: cycling in the cold and starting a youtube channel.. with luck ;-) | Mar 03 11:49 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon: When I was young and foolish I biked through a Wisconsin winter. | Mar 03 11:50 |
| doctormon | Boston cold, the wind cuts deep | Mar 03 11:50 |
| doctormon | But Wisconsin, I hear the wind has chainsaws | Mar 03 11:50 |
| Tavmjong | Naw, pretty wimpy compared to Minnesota. | Mar 03 11:51 |
| Tavmjong | ************* Board Meeting **************** | Mar 03 12:00 |
| rindolf | hi all | Mar 03 12:00 |
| Tavmjong | hi! | Mar 03 12:00 |
| doctormon | Hello! | Mar 03 12:00 |
| bryce | hi | Mar 03 12:00 |
| doctormon | fguimont: hello! | Mar 03 12:00 |
| Tavmjong | bryce? tedg? ScislaC? | Mar 03 12:00 |
| rindolf | is everyone here/ | Mar 03 12:00 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, yes? | Mar 03 12:00 |
| rindolf | is everyone here? | Mar 03 12:00 |
| Tavmjong | bryce: Just checking if your here.... | Mar 03 12:01 |
| bryce | Agenda: | Mar 03 12:01 |
| bryce | + Sponsorship Levels | Mar 03 12:01 |
| bryce | + Hackfests: Portland, Paris | Mar 03 12:01 |
| bryce | + Merchandise sales | Mar 03 12:01 |
| bryce | + Inkscape gitlab | Mar 03 12:01 |
| bryce | + Other | Mar 03 12:01 |
| fguimont | hi doctormon Tavmjong bryce et al. | Mar 03 12:01 |
| Tavmjong | kk won't be here. | Mar 03 12:01 |
| bryce | Has anyone further topics to add? | Mar 03 12:01 |
| *tedg waves | Mar 03 12:01 | |
| bryce | Josh gives his regrets as well | Mar 03 12:02 |
| bryce | ok diving right in | Mar 03 12:02 |
| bryce | ============ Sponsorship Levels =========== | Mar 03 12:02 |
| bryce | thanks all for voting on the levels. It looks like all items passed except the news item. | Mar 03 12:03 |
| doctormon | I'd like to get the text updated pretty quick for the two sponsorship requests we've had int he last two weeks | Mar 03 12:03 |
| bryce | I would still like to hear josh's rationale for not wanting to merge diamond and platinum but the vote passed so I figure we can proceed. Like I mentioned we can always bring it back when there's a decent reason to | Mar 03 12:04 |
| bryce | would anyone have an objection if I finalize the vote now so doctormo can proceed with getting it onto the website? | Mar 03 12:04 |
| Tavmjong | bryce: I'm willing to go with two new items for Platinum. | Mar 03 12:04 |
| bryce | s/now/later today/ | Mar 03 12:04 |
| Tavmjong | No objection. Please finalize. | Mar 03 12:05 |
| bryce | ok will do | Mar 03 12:05 |
| tedg | Nope, go with it | Mar 03 12:05 |
| bryce | any other thoughts/questions/ideas on sponsorship levels? | Mar 03 12:05 |
| doctormon | Great, thanks all. | Mar 03 12:05 |
| bryce | doctormon, feel free to go ahead and get started; I'll finish and post the email about it after work | Mar 03 12:05 |
| bryce | ============= Hackfest : Portland ============= | Mar 03 12:06 |
| bryce | I looked up the place I'd proposed earlier, and there's one good period of availability at the end of April | Mar 03 12:06 |
| bryce | Fri Apr 28th - Wednesday May3rd (5 nights) | Mar 03 12:06 |
| bryce | you'll remember there's two facilities co-located there, which can be rented individually or together. Both are available that period. | Mar 03 12:07 |
| doctormon | bryce: Will do, will post live and then ask review before sending to our inquirers | Mar 03 12:07 |
| bryce | given the US travel system I'm skeptical we can get enough attendees to do both, but it's an option. Open to suggestions. | Mar 03 12:07 |
| bryce | I do see the schedule for it is quite full through the summer so if we want it, probably should snag it asap. | Mar 03 12:08 |
| tedg | Only think around then I have is LGM. | Mar 03 12:08 |
| doctormon | bryce: I'm in favour of April 28th, although it's only 4 weeks away | Mar 03 12:08 |
| tedg | Is anyone going? | Mar 03 12:08 |
| bryce | yeah it's soon, we'd have to get moving on arrangements quickly. | Mar 03 12:08 |
| fguimont | I want to, but I don't know if I'm going to be able to that soon. I'm needed on a project that drops arount that date. | Mar 03 12:08 |
| bryce | or we could schedule something in the fall; availability may be better then | Mar 03 12:09 |
| fguimont | +1 | Mar 03 12:09 |
| Tavmjong | LGM is rather late in organizing... plus, many people need visas (including Americans) that take require letters. | Mar 03 12:09 |
| Tavmjong | I don't think LGM is a problem for us. | Mar 03 12:09 |
| bryce | Sept/Oct look pretty open for this place if we want to postpone 'til then | Mar 03 12:10 |
| tedg | Don't think so either, but throwing it out there. It does relate 😉 | Mar 03 12:10 |
| Tavmjong | April 28th is a bit close, but I could probably do it. Anything in May? | Mar 03 12:10 |
| doctormon | bryce: So long as we book Oct/Nov now so as not to have a reason not to do it | Mar 03 12:11 |
| tedg | I am kinda of the feeling that we should just do it. Feel we have put it off, which at some level discredits our fundraising | Mar 03 12:11 |
| doctormon | I mean Sept/Oct :-* | Mar 03 12:11 |
| Tavmjong | If we schedule something for Fall, we should not wait too long or will be in the same situation. | Mar 03 12:11 |
| bryce | May/Jun/Jul has mid-week avaiability, Mon-Wed and a few Mon-Thurs | Mar 03 12:11 |
| bryce | May 12-25 is a Sun-Thur, that's the longest one I see | Mar 03 12:11 |
| Tavmjong | typo in dates? | Mar 03 12:12 |
| tedg | 19? | Mar 03 12:12 |
| bryce | sorry 21-25 | Mar 03 12:12 |
| tedg | Ah | Mar 03 12:12 |
| fguimont | may is better for me | Mar 03 12:12 |
| doctormon | bryce: Portland, that the place on the other side of the country right, no need to go into Canada for that right? | Mar 03 12:13 |
| bryce | and that's just the Front unit | Mar 03 12:13 |
| doctormon | tedg: ++ | Mar 03 12:13 |
| Tavmjong | May is better for me too... | Mar 03 12:13 |
| doctormon | At this stage there's no reason not to do both April and Oct. | Mar 03 12:13 |
| doctormon | bryce: What's your ability to travel like? | Mar 03 12:14 |
| bryce | doctormon, how do you mean? | Mar 03 12:14 |
| bryce | doctormon, no funding likely via Samsung | Mar 03 12:14 |
| bryce | but I got ample vacation time | Mar 03 12:15 |
| doctormon | bryce: Just kicking around ideas, if May is hard for Portland. | Mar 03 12:15 |
| bryce | ok, so should I reserve the Apr/May or should we go mid-week in May, or something else? | Mar 03 12:15 |
| fguimont | I *might* get funding for travel but need to plan ahead. | Mar 03 12:16 |
| doctormon | bryce: Would more money from our funds make getting a full week in May easier? | Mar 03 12:16 |
| bryce | doctormon, guessing bribery isn't an option ;-) | Mar 03 12:17 |
| doctormon | bryce: I mean if there are other buildings available but at twice the price. | Mar 03 12:18 |
| bryce | doctormon, for this unit in May, the trade offs are a) 4 nights instead of 5; b) folks will need more vacation days since its mid-week; c) only the Front unit is available | Mar 03 12:19 |
| Tavmjong | I would like to get an idea of who would attend. Would we get sufficient participation? | Mar 03 12:19 |
| bryce | doctormon, I didn't look at other places but last time my wife looked and was hard to find anyplace like this one | Mar 03 12:19 |
| doctormon | bryce: We're pretty nailed down by this one unit on options. | Mar 03 12:20 |
| doctormon | bryce: What's the advantages again? (I think you've mentioned these before) | Mar 03 12:20 |
| Tavmjong | What if we do two hackfests in 2017 with Portland being in the Fall. | Mar 03 12:21 |
| Tavmjong | Secure the Portland place now for Fall. That will give people plenty of time to plan. | Mar 03 12:21 |
| fguimont | +1 | Mar 03 12:21 |
| Tavmjong | What if we had a May hackfest in Paris? | Mar 03 12:22 |
| bryce | =============== Hackfest : Paris ============== | Mar 03 12:22 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, go ahead | Mar 03 12:23 |
| Tavmjong | Mc_ might be able to locate us a place at a university in Paris. | Mar 03 12:23 |
| doctormon | I'd not be available due to it being outside the usa. But it sounds cool. | Mar 03 12:23 |
| fguimont | I *might* | Mar 03 12:23 |
| Tavmjong | Or, we could have it out where I live, possibly even at my place. | Mar 03 12:23 |
| Tavmjong | I've put a few notes at http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2017 | Mar 03 12:23 |
| Tavmjong | Mc is on vacation for the next two weeks so we'll have to wait till he gets back for the in Paris option. | Mar 03 12:25 |
| tedg | Do we have airbnb availability issues as well there? | Mar 03 12:25 |
| Tavmjong | tedg: We wouldn't be holding the hackfest at the airbnb. | Mar 03 12:26 |
| bryce | wait two weeks and you're going to have the "too soon to book" issue | Mar 03 12:26 |
| bryce | tedg, also the portland place is not through airbnb (it had been listed there as well last time, which is what screwed us up scheduling it) | Mar 03 12:26 |
| tedg | Seems we are further along with Portland than Paris. So it'd perhaps make more sense to do Portland earlier | Mar 03 12:26 |
| bryce | I'm prepared to go ahead and book the portland place today, if we can make a decision on it | Mar 03 12:28 |
| Tavmjong | for the April dates? | Mar 03 12:28 |
| bryce | either Apr 28-May 3, or May 21-25 | Mar 03 12:29 |
| Mc | (I have scarce internet access right now, but try to follow the meeting) | Mar 03 12:30 |
| tedg | I think April is better, even if close. | Mar 03 12:30 |
| Tavmjong | April would probably be better for me than the proposed May dates. | Mar 03 12:32 |
| bryce | ScislaC, any chance you're around to voice your thoughts on hackfest dates? | Mar 03 12:32 |
| bryce | ok sounds like at least doctormon, tedg and myself would be available Apr 28, Tav maybe too. | Mar 03 12:34 |
| bryce | an advantage of the Apr 28 date is we have the option of renting both units if we find strong interest | Mar 03 12:34 |
| doctormon | bryce: +1 | Mar 03 12:34 |
| bryce | but for now I can just book one or the other unit, which gives 5 or 6 beds iirc | Mar 03 12:35 |
| bryce | the 6 bed option would be $2120.63 | Mar 03 12:36 |
| Tavmjong | bryce: What is the cancellation penalty? Might be good to book both if you can confirm kk and ScislaC can come (plus any others). | Mar 03 12:36 |
| bryce | if we can get a quickie hand vote here on IRC I can book it now to get it secured. | Mar 03 12:37 |
| Tavmjong | +1 | Mar 03 12:37 |
| tedg | +1 | Mar 03 12:37 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, good question let me look | Mar 03 12:37 |
| bryce | +1 | Mar 03 12:37 |
| fguimont | +1 although not sure I'll be free yet | Mar 03 12:37 |
| bryce | 7. CANCELLATIONS – If you need to cancel up to one month in advance, you get the full | Mar 03 12:38 |
| bryce | payment back minus any service fees. Between a month and 2 weeks you get half the payment | Mar 03 12:38 |
| bryce | minus any service fees. Two weeks up to reservation there is no refund. Any changes that result | Mar 03 12:38 |
| bryce | in a shortened stay or early departure do not warrant any refund. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| Tavmjong | We should post an email to the devel list to see who else will come. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, definitely. I'll do that this weekend. | Mar 03 12:38 |
| bryce | doctormon, vote? | Mar 03 12:39 |
| bryce | oh wait you did. nevermind :-) | Mar 03 12:39 |
| bryce | ok, booking rear unit | Mar 03 12:39 |
| Tavmjong | I would book both (assuming the service fee isn't outrageous). | Mar 03 12:39 |
| Tavmjong | That will give us a couple of weeks to determine interest in attending. | Mar 03 12:40 |
| bryce | the difference between the advertised nightly fee for one of the units and what they're charging my credit card looks to be around $300. I don't know if that's what the service fee is but looks like it's on that order | Mar 03 12:41 |
| doctormon | bryce: sorry, got distracted | Mar 03 12:42 |
| bryce | why don't I just book one now, then book the other once we get a little feedback | Mar 03 12:42 |
| doctormon | +1 | Mar 03 12:42 |
| Tavmjong | OK | Mar 03 12:42 |
| bryce | I'll try and get the -devel announce out tonight too if I can | Mar 03 12:42 |
| bryce | I'm betting the front unit won't get snatched up right away | Mar 03 12:43 |
| bryce | ok, booked. whew. | Mar 03 12:43 |
| bryce | hackfest here we come :-) | Mar 03 12:43 |
| doctormon | bryce: Yay, thank you good sir for fronting it! | Mar 03 12:43 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, do you want to discuss paris more or shall we leave that to next meeting? | Mar 03 12:43 |
| Tavmjong | We can leave it till the next meeting after Mc has a chance to investigate options. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| bryce | ok great | Mar 03 12:44 |
| bryce | merchandise sales | Mar 03 12:45 |
| bryce | =============== Merchandise Sales =============== | Mar 03 12:45 |
| bryce | looks like we're missing attendees for this one, unless you have any details doctormon ? | Mar 03 12:45 |
| doctormon | bryce: We've been mostly waiting for our contributor to pair down the options, I've told them to take their time. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| bryce | ok | Mar 03 12:47 |
| bryce | doctormon, anything we can help with in? | Mar 03 12:47 |
| doctormon | bryce: Not unless anyone has spare time and is keen on editing the shop | Mar 03 12:49 |
| bryce | yeah... spare time seems scarce. Ok, moving on. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| bryce | =============== gitlab migration ================= | Mar 03 12:50 |
| bryce | thanks doctormon and maren for posting positive feedback | Mar 03 12:50 |
| bryce | sounds like we can go ahead and proceed with the migration | Mar 03 12:50 |
| Mc | should we "actually" do it during a hackfest ? | Mar 03 12:51 |
| bryce | I figure we need some logistics sorted as to exactly when to do it, and who will pull the trigger, how to deal with fallout, etc. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| bryce | Mc, that's not a bad idea but I was hoping to get it done sooner, like within the next week or two | Mar 03 12:52 |
| Tavmjong | Mc: I would rather see hackfest time spent on Gtk3 migration, flipping the coordinate system, etc.. | Mar 03 12:52 |
| bryce | but I'm not sure what preparations need to be made. When I've done my personal projects it's been very straightforward | Mar 03 12:52 |
| tedg | Yeah, just CPU time typically | Mar 03 12:53 |
| bryce | who would be a good person to do the conversion? | Mar 03 12:53 |
| Tavmjong | kk? | Mar 03 12:54 |
| Mc | tweenk did some tests with github in the past | Mar 03 12:54 |
| Tavmjong | he did the geom2 conversion | Mar 03 12:54 |
| tedg | He already did it once as a test, so that's who I'd look to. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| bryce | heh, the classic risk of not attending a meeting is getting the action item assigned ;-) | Mar 03 12:55 |
| doctormon | lol | Mar 03 12:55 |
| tedg | Heh | Mar 03 12:55 |
| fguimont | :) | Mar 03 12:55 |
| bryce | tedg, would you mind taking the action of emailing him and asking? (and cc the board) | Mar 03 12:55 |
| doctormon | As the "other guy that did a migration", | Mar 03 12:55 |
| tedg | No problem | Mar 03 12:55 |
| bryce | ok | Mar 03 12:56 |
| bryce | just got called by paypal | Mar 03 12:57 |
| bryce | transaction cleared! | Mar 03 12:57 |
| bryce | ok, any opinions on timing for when to do the gitlab migration? | Mar 03 12:57 |
| bryce | at kk's availability, or should we schedule a particular time so folks know what's coming? | Mar 03 12:58 |
| Tavmjong | give people at least a week warning... | Mar 03 12:58 |
| bryce | a week, ok | Mar 03 12:58 |
| bryce | tedg, after you speak with kk can you (or he) also email to inkscape-devel to announce kk's planned day-of-migration? | Mar 03 13:00 |
| bryce | last item | Mar 03 13:00 |
| bryce | =============== Any Other Business ============= | Mar 03 13:01 |
| tedg | Makes sense. I imagine we will need to do a dry run too. | Mar 03 13:01 |
| bryce | anyone else have any topics? | Mar 03 13:01 |
| Tavmjong | Just an announcement... we've been accepted for GSoC. | Mar 03 13:02 |
| fguimont | stickers? Do we have any? | Mar 03 13:02 |
| fguimont | oh great news Tavmjong | Mar 03 13:02 |
| bryce | fguimont, no stickers afaik. Would be a nice merchandising item to have available though. | Mar 03 13:02 |
| Mc | is it too late to be a possible mentor (if there is a need for mentors) | Mar 03 13:02 |
| Mc | N | Mar 03 13:02 |
| Mc | ?* | Mar 03 13:03 |
| Tavmjong | Mc: No. | Mar 03 13:03 |
| tedg | That's cool. | Mar 03 13:03 |
| doctormon | fguimont: No stickers yet, could do with having some though. | Mar 03 13:03 |
| doctormon | Thanks bryce | Mar 03 13:03 |
| fguimont | I'd love to have nice Inkscape stickers on my gear. | Mar 03 13:03 |
| bryce | fguimont, if you'd like to research into places that do stickers and find a good option or two, I'm sure we could get something organized for that | Mar 03 13:04 |
| fguimont | Ok bryce, I can look into that. | Mar 03 13:05 |
| bryce | fguimont, Spreadshirt does buttons and cellphone cases but not stickers. I'm sure there's other similar places that do though. | Mar 03 13:06 |
| bryce | ok, anythign else? otherwise EOM | Mar 03 13:08 |
| fguimont | I was told stickermule is good. | Mar 03 13:08 |
| fguimont | I'm awaiting stickers for my project, I'll let you know what the quality is like. I hear good things from the designers here. | Mar 03 13:08 |
| bryce | fguimont, great thanks. Feel free to email the inkscape-board@lists.sf.net list with what you find, or next month's meeting if you prefer | Mar 03 13:09 |
| bryce | ============== End of Meeting =========== | Mar 03 13:09 |
| su_v | bryce: late question wrt gitlab migration ... | Mar 03 13:09 |
| doctormon | bryce: Do we have board@inkscape.org? | Mar 03 13:09 |
| bryce | su_v, go ahead | Mar 03 13:10 |
| bryce | doctormon, not afaik | Mar 03 13:10 |
| su_v | what is the plan for the branches hosted on launchpad.net? | Mar 03 13:10 |
| su_v | will those get purged as has happened with the old branches at sf.net | Mar 03 13:10 |
| su_v | ? | Mar 03 13:10 |
| doctormon | kk said he could get all branches over | Mar 03 13:10 |
| su_v | does that mean that you want to delete them on lp? | Mar 03 13:11 |
| su_v | breaking lots of references e.g. in the bug reports, and elsewhere ... | Mar 03 13:11 |
| su_v | and purging any possibility to look up the old revnos? | Mar 03 13:11 |
| su_v | since the git hashes will be what is in gitlab | Mar 03 13:12 |
| doctormon | su_v: There's no need to delete the branches, even inkscape-web branches are still available. Just marked as abandoned and given to a user/group without push access. | Mar 03 13:13 |
| bryce | doctormon, abandoned or maybe merged | Mar 03 13:13 |
| su_v | the purge at sf.net removed the only possibility to access the history before bzr revno 1 (of lp:inkscape) via browser already | Mar 03 13:13 |
| su_v | (launchpad fails with the old migrated branches) | Mar 03 13:14 |
| su_v | ok | Mar 03 13:14 |
| su_v | and the plan it to move the stable release branch, too, before 0.92.2 is prepared? | Mar 03 13:15 |
| tedg | su_v: so that is fixable, but I'm not sure of that value after so long (the pre r1 history) | Mar 03 13:15 |
| bryce | su_v, if you often need to reference that data, there's probably a way to re-host it rather than resurrect it on sourceforge. Goal is to get 100% off SF entirely. | Mar 03 13:15 |
| su_v | tedg: I just needed to find a old commit last week | Mar 03 13:15 |
| tedg | Wow, okay | Mar 03 13:16 |
| bryce | su_v, yes plan is to get 0.92.x migrated to git, before we begin preparing 0.92.2. | Mar 03 13:16 |
| su_v | (in an attempt to determine whether a current feature was intentional or as temp fix) | Mar 03 13:16 |
| doctormon | Would be fun to have older commits, | Mar 03 13:16 |
| doctormon | I've had to look up things and I end up hitting the mentalguy rev1 wall | Mar 03 13:17 |
| tedg | Okay, I will look to see how difficult it is | Mar 03 13:17 |
| su_v | https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/inkscape/old-main has what was before that revno 1 | Mar 03 13:18 |
| su_v | but if you attempt to view a file (or the annotated version), or an actual commit diff - that fails | Mar 03 13:19 |
| bryce | tedg, thanks. If you figure out a way to extract it, might also be worth getting the Sodipodi history too; that should also all be on SF. Dunno how useful it'd be but might be easy to do while you're at it. | Mar 03 13:19 |
| su_v | it's ok with a local branch | Mar 03 13:19 |
| tedg | Yeah, I know where the skeletons are hidden here. I put them in their current closets 😉 | Mar 03 13:19 |
| su_v | so likely it could be migrated to git too (or to a newer bzr format?) | Mar 03 13:20 |
| doctormon | I think you can append the exports together if you do them right. | Mar 03 13:20 |
| tedg | I think git. No reason to fix bazaar today. | Mar 03 13:20 |
| doctormon | I have to go, thanks for the meeting | Mar 03 13:20 |
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