Inkscape Board Meeting Transcript for Friday, 2018-03-02

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Tavmjong==== Inkscape Board Meeting in Eight Minutes ====Mar 02 09:52
ryangorleyHello allMar 02 09:58
McheyMar 02 09:58
prkosohaiMar 02 09:58
McI will have to leave early (in about 30-40 min only)Mar 02 09:59
bryce_sounds like we'll be a bit thin on personnel this meeting, bet we can keep it shortMar 02 10:00
bryce_== Inkscape Board meeting ==Mar 02 10:00
bryce_Agenda:Mar 02 10:00
bryce_   + Madras Printer's and Lithographers' AssociationMar 02 10:00
bryce_   + Boston Hackfest (March) [doctormo]Mar 02 10:00
bryce_   + Merchandise sales [crogers]Mar 02 10:00
bryce_   + Board election process review [tedg]Mar 02 10:00
bryce_   + Infrastructure hosting [bryce]Mar 02 10:00
bryce_   + LGM 2018 [Tav]Mar 02 10:00
bryce_   + GSoC [ScislaC]Mar 02 10:00
bryce_   + Other BusinessMar 02 10:00
*tedg wavesMar 02 10:01
Mc:)Mar 02 10:01
TavmjongHi all.Mar 02 10:01
bryce_oh two other topic items - Ryan is printing a banner and needs a speedy vote (I'm writing up the ref now)Mar 02 10:02
bryce_other item is 2018 budget, which I posted a proposal for last nightMar 02 10:02
*ryangorley WavesMar 02 10:02
bryce_   + Booth banner printingMar 02 10:02
bryce_   + Budget 2018Mar 02 10:02
Mccan we start with items requiring votes ?Mar 02 10:02
bryce_Mc, voting will be on the mailing listMar 02 10:03
Mcoh, okMar 02 10:03
bryce_Mc, are there items low in the agenda you'd like to be included in discussion on?  we could prioritize thoseMar 02 10:03
McI won't be able to attend Boston's hackfest unfortunatelyMar 02 10:03
McLGM & GSoC ^^Mar 02 10:04
bryce_ok let's do banner & budget firstMar 02 10:04
tedgbryce_: Don't we have a budget item for conference supplies? Do we need to vote if it's budgeted?Mar 02 10:04
bryce_==== Banner ====Mar 02 10:05
bryce_tedg, yes indeed we do have $100 set aside for vector team needs.  However, I checked what we voted on and it said we still need to individually approve purchases normally.Mar 02 10:06
tedgAh, okay. I was hoping it could be quicker.Mar 02 10:06
bryce_tedg, agreed - I would be happy to leave it entirely to the vectors team to decide, but I worry they'd run into trouble getting SFC to reimburse without our explicit signoffMar 02 10:06
tedgWe should figure out a way to update the process at sometime for budgets.Mar 02 10:06
bryce_yes, at the time I left it this way just because the vectors team was new and getting it to not require us to vote sounded like it might get complicatedMar 02 10:07
tedgPerhaps we could include in our budget vote to approve explicitly ryangorley to spend the money.Mar 02 10:07
tedgLike if we named someone.Mar 02 10:07
bryce_tedg, yeah could be...Mar 02 10:08
TavmjongI like the banner design. What is the size and cost?Mar 02 10:08
Tavmjonghttps://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/issues/29#note_61420053Mar 02 10:09
ryangorley3 x 7 feet. $55 printing, another 10 or so in hanging hardware.Mar 02 10:09
ryangorley$10Mar 02 10:09
tedgI do too, ryangorley has done a great job with it. I also like the coordination he did with the GIMP folks.Mar 02 10:09
bryce_I've posted the referendum for voting btwMar 02 10:09
tedgAh, hello ryangorley !Mar 02 10:10
*ryangorley wavesMar 02 10:10
bryce_yes it looks great, and I like that it sounds like several projects will be getting similarly designed ones, we'll be like a superhero teamMar 02 10:10
ryangorleybryce_: that's the hope :)Mar 02 10:11
bryce_I made the vote be for $80 to give him a bit of margin on the costMar 02 10:11
bryce_ok, if nothing else to discuss here, please refer to your email for voting (or to raise issues), hopefully we can get it resolved swiftly so ryan can pay the printer asap :-)Mar 02 10:12
bryce_==== Budget 2018 ====Mar 02 10:12
TavmjongDon't see the vote email yet... is there a problem with the email server?Mar 02 10:13
bryce_Hopefully everyone had a chance to look at the budget proposal I posted yesterday, sorry it's taken me so longMar 02 10:13
bryce_Tavmjong, oh hell yeah SourceForge has been intermittent lately grrMar 02 10:13
bryce_Tavmjong, did you get the budget email?  we can give the banner email a few more minutesMar 02 10:14
tedgbryce_: I haven't gotten the banner, but did get the budget.Mar 02 10:14
Tavmjongbryce_: I got the budget email.Mar 02 10:14
bryce_let me doublecheckMar 02 10:15
bryce_hmm looks like it sent out ok, SF might just be slow.  let's give it 5 min.Mar 02 10:15
TavmjongI think the hackfest part of the budget should be increased. This is our primary use of our money (and is well spent, I think).Mar 02 10:16
Tavmjong... BTW, Boston looks like an expensive place to host a hackfest.Mar 02 10:17
bryce_yesMar 02 10:17
bryce_and the prices rose quicklyMar 02 10:17
Tavmjongbryce_: hotel or airfare?Mar 02 10:18
bryce_bothMar 02 10:18
tedgIt is an expensive place. But RH helping out with the location helps a ton.Mar 02 10:18
bryce_any other thoughts on allocations for hackfests?Mar 02 10:18
tedgAnd I imagine spending time with the RH folks will be good for building those relationships.Mar 02 10:18
TavmjongI definitely think working with RH folks will be great and worth it...Mar 02 10:19
bryce_we had a surprisingly large amount of income in 2017.  The sponsorships really added up.  We can afford to be creative in thinking of ways to spend it this year.Mar 02 10:19
Tavmjongbut the airfare and hotel alone are blowing my allocation.Mar 02 10:20
tedgI guess my feeling is that we've been inconsistent in the costs of the hackfests, so it's hard to predict. Which makes it hard to budget.Mar 02 10:20
tedgI think we should host hackfests, and they're good, but I have a hard time knowing what the value should be.Mar 02 10:20
Mcwe can make estimates beforehand based on contributors on each side of the atlantic and local hotel costsMar 02 10:21
bryce_getting travel arrangements locked down early is a big help too.Mar 02 10:21
bryce_I think we should be shooting for everyone getting their hotel and flights arranged 8 weeks priorMar 02 10:22
tedgDoes the Conservancy have a policy on that as part of their travel guides?Mar 02 10:22
TavmjongThat would be ideal but I'm not sure how realistic it is.Mar 02 10:22
TavmjongConservancy does have a policy for airfare but I think it is one week in advance (need to check).Mar 02 10:23
Mctedg: "Tickets for travel by air or rail (excluding commuter train and subway) should be booked at least 14 days in advance; any travel booked less than 14 days in advance requires written pre-authorization by Conservancy. "Mar 02 10:23
tedgSo I'm guessing we should probably stick with that, 6-8 weeks would be better, but perhaps we encourage instead of with policy.Mar 02 10:25
bryce_if our attendance numbers were higher, I wonder if it'd be worthwhile to have a volunteer do travel coordination - get us all in the same hotel maybe at a discount, and handle doing the paperwork Conservancy needs and so forth.Mar 02 10:25
tedgThat would be very cool.Mar 02 10:25
Tavmjongbryce_: Conservancy does not want someone to coordinate paperwork... it doesn't help them (I did that a couple of years ago).Mar 02 10:25
bryce_Tavmjong, oh?Mar 02 10:26
TavmjongI would have to search for the email but it didn't save them any time.Mar 02 10:27
bryce_did it help the travelers?Mar 02 10:27
TavmjongNot too much, other than pre-reviewing travel receipts.Mar 02 10:27
tedgI think that if we did the group hotel, it could be done with a PO directly.Mar 02 10:28
tedgI think they don't want someone to coordinate receipts, but if someone converted into a single bill that would work.Mar 02 10:28
Mcgroup hotel main benefit is that it would probably save moneyMar 02 10:29
rindolfhi akkMar 02 10:29
bryce_hi rindolf Mar 02 10:29
rindolfhi allMar 02 10:29
bryce_alright, well we can talk more about future hackfests at later meetings.  Any other input on the budget?Mar 02 10:29
bryce_ACTION: Increase amount allocated to hackfests and post a v2 for the budget [bryce]Mar 02 10:30
bryce_==== Madras Printer's and Lithographers' Association ====Mar 02 10:31
bryce_Cr had followed up with them on the specific issue they raised, but I don't know if they responded or notMar 02 10:31
bryce_on one of the Vectors gitlab issues there was a good discussion about what exactly is needed for CMYK support.  We had input from a professional that popped by to share his thoughts, that Inkscape itself doesn't need anything special, but that a pre-flight dialog to help walk people through the process for doing color management when sending to printerMar 02 10:33
MoiniThere's going to be another print-savvy person from Scribus commenting soon.Mar 02 10:33
MoiniBut he's busy currently.Mar 02 10:33
TavmjongWhere is this conversation recorded?Mar 02 10:33
bryce_anyway, I'm thinking that could be the seeds of a bit of a plan for a feature to develop.  We could post that as a fundable project, and MPLA might be interested in contributing to that.  I think that might suit their needs better than doing a conditional platinum sponsorship where we have obligationsMar 02 10:34
McI wonder if we can reuse some scribus codeMar 02 10:34
Mc(to produce pdf from svg)Mar 02 10:34
Moinihttps://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/issues/39Mar 02 10:34
bryce_Tavmjong, right, look for J. Grady BroylesMar 02 10:34
MoiniThere's going to be a Scribus/Color meeting in June, and they'd be glad if Inkscapers could attend.Mar 02 10:35
bryce_Mc, I had looked into that once before, but our codebases are way too different.Mar 02 10:35
tedgI imagine the Scribus folks might be at LGM...Mar 02 10:35
MoiniSorry, date is wrong.Mar 02 10:35
MoiniNot so many, @tedg.Mar 02 10:35
bryce_Mc, copying ideas/algorithms maybe not not codeMar 02 10:35
tedgMoini: BummerMar 02 10:35
McI don't know, if they have a nice color management internal library or something like thatMar 02 10:35
TavmjongCan we get the CMKY discussion into a separate issue?Mar 02 10:36
MoiniMaybe one, as far as I heard, but only hear-say, so...Mar 02 10:36
tedgbryce_: I think what we need from the Scribus folks is expertise, there are a lot of professional printer type folks in their community.Mar 02 10:36
bryce_tedg, yesMar 02 10:36
tedgThey built littlecms, right?Mar 02 10:36
bryce_tedg, maybe you could include them in the invite list for our hackfest?  if any are in the boston area might be easy for them to pop byMar 02 10:36
MoiniJust looked it up, there's no date yet for the Color/Scribus meeting.Mar 02 10:37
tedgI think they're mostly Europeans, but we can ask. mrdocs was the last person I talked to there. Not sure if he's still involved.Mar 02 10:37
MoiniFrom what I heard, they'd be delighted about having more contact with Inkscapers.Mar 02 10:37
Mccool :)Mar 02 10:38
bryce_well we've done IRC meetings with them in the past, maybe when we have our thinking a bit more cohesive we could set up anotherMar 02 10:38
tedgYeah, I think Moini's idea of sending someone to their color hackfest is a good idea.Mar 02 10:38
bryce_yesMar 02 10:38
MoiniBut it's better if Christoph tells all this himself, when he's back again, he knows more about it.Mar 02 10:39
tedgOnce they figure out details of course :-)Mar 02 10:39
bryce_tedg, well finding an appropriate volunteer to send should probably start asapMar 02 10:39
bryce_or ideally two volunteers...Mar 02 10:39
MoiniIt would be in Germany.Mar 02 10:40
MoiniNorthern Germany, Oldenburg, to be precise.Mar 02 10:40
bryce_ACTION: Find two Inkscape people to send to the Color/Scribus meeting to learn about how we could do better color management with InkscapeMar 02 10:40
Mcwhen is it ?Mar 02 10:41
MoiniSorry, Mc, no date yet... :-(Mar 02 10:41
McokMar 02 10:41
bryce_Moini, how many germans do we have active in development?Mar 02 10:41
MoiniOnly Ede123, as far as I know.Mar 02 10:41
MoiniV speaks German, but probably wouldn't attend...Mar 02 10:41
bryce_Moini, are you in germany too?Mar 02 10:42
MoiniThe color people come from Switzerland, though. Yes, I'm in Germany.Mar 02 10:42
Mcso english might be enough to discussMar 02 10:42
bryce_Moini + Ede_123 would probably make a very good team to sendMar 02 10:42
bryce_Moini, if you'd be willingMar 02 10:42
MoiniI need to think about that.Mar 02 10:43
bryce_Tavmjong, would you be interested?  You're in France and I think already know some of the Scribus folks?Mar 02 10:43
Tavmjongbryce_: I would be interested depending on date... it's not to expensive to fly from France. I don't know any of the Scribus people though.Mar 02 10:44
Tavmjongs/to/too/Mar 02 10:44
*Mc is afkMar 02 10:45
bryce_thanks Mc Mar 02 10:46
MoiniThat would be cool, Tav.Mar 02 10:46
bryce_ok, let's definitely follow up on thisMar 02 10:46
bryce_we can convert the MPLA action item into follow up for color management planning, for future discussion purposes.Mar 02 10:47
bryce_==== Boston Hackfest ====Mar 02 10:47
prkosomg is that regex in board meeting >:oMar 02 10:47
bryce_was hoping doctormo would pop in by this point, but looks like we're missing himMar 02 10:48
bryce_prkos, ?Mar 02 10:48
prkosbryce_: don't mind meMar 02 10:48
bryce_I saw Alex will be joining us.  :-)Mar 02 10:48
prkosI was perplexed by Tav's comment for a bitMar 02 10:49
Tavmjongkk has said he can probably join usMar 02 10:49
prkoshad to look it up lolMar 02 10:49
Moiniprkos, that's common here :)Mar 02 10:49
bryce_ah, right, hopefully we'll see him on the attendance list soonMar 02 10:49
TavmjongI think we could use a couple more attendees to get the synergy up.Mar 02 10:50
bryce_btw SFC wants us to finalize the attendance list... I've been putting it off but probably should tell give them a final list soonishMar 02 10:50
bryce_Tavmjong, agreedMar 02 10:50
bryce_tedg, did you see my scriptish for extracting emails from the git log?Mar 02 10:50
TavmjongWhy do they need a list? They have never required one before.Mar 02 10:50
bryce_Tavmjong, don't knowMar 02 10:50
tedgbryce_: No...Mar 02 10:51
bryce_Tavmjong, you're on the CC for this thread so you know as much as I do...Mar 02 10:53
bryce_"Ok, are those allocations for the March Hackfest now definitive?"Mar 02 10:53
tedgI don't see anything in my spam folder.Mar 02 10:53
TavmjongI like the idea of sending invites to "old timers" but this needs to be done ASAP.Mar 02 10:53
bryce_tedg, was in the Inkscape Board Meeting threadMar 02 10:54
bryce_ git log INKSCAPE_0_92_2.. | grep "Author: .*@.*" > /tmp/active_devs.txtMar 02 10:54
bryce_ git log | grep "Author: .*@.*" | grep -vwF -f /tmp/active_devs.txt \Mar 02 10:54
bryce_     | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | awk -v limit=10 '$1 > limit'Mar 02 10:54
ryangorley_Just pinged doctormo via Signal btwMar 02 10:54
bryce_I was thinking just run that to get the emails and then send them a copy of Tav's Inkscape Hackfests! emailMar 02 10:55
bryce_tedg or Tavmjong would either of you be willing to do that?  or other thoughts on who should be invited?Mar 02 10:56
TavmjongI could do that.Mar 02 10:56
bryce_Tavmjong, thanks that would be great!Mar 02 10:56
TavmjongAre there any recent very active contributors to invite?Mar 02 10:57
tedgAh, thanks Tavmjong !Mar 02 10:57
bryce_ACTION: Send Hackfest invites to oldtimers [Tavmjong]Mar 02 10:57
tedgbryce_: I seriously don't see that, but I guess it doesn't mater now :-)Mar 02 10:57
bryce_tedg, probably SF is to blameMar 02 10:57
tedgThey're blocking awk :-)Mar 02 10:58
TavmjongThe poster vote still hasn't come through.Mar 02 10:58
MoiniWhich poster?Mar 02 10:58
bryce_the limit=10 in the awk statement limits the list to people who have made >10 commits.  You can fudge that a bit, 10 was just a WAGMar 02 10:59
TavmjongMaybe we can take a vote here and then formalize it via email.Mar 02 10:59
Tavmjongs/poster/banner/Mar 02 10:59
tedgMoini: banner for SCALEMar 02 10:59
MoiniThanks, ted + Tav!Mar 02 10:59
bryce_also, I used the INKSCAPE_0_92_2 tag just because that was a convenient point, but adjust to whatever you think is a better cutoff.  Basically just to avoid spamming currently active devels that already knowMar 02 10:59
bryce_Tavmjong, okMar 02 11:00
bryce_REFERENDUM:  Prelim vote on Banner PrintingMar 02 11:00
bryce_+1Mar 02 11:00
tedg+1Mar 02 11:00
Tavmjong+1Mar 02 11:00
bryce_rats we should have done this before Mc leftMar 02 11:01
bryce_ok, we need at least 4 votes to passMar 02 11:02
TavmjongYou could resend the email, including each board member in the CC.Mar 02 11:02
bryce_yes, I'll do thatMar 02 11:02
bryce_ok, anything else for Boston Hackfest?Mar 02 11:03
bryce_is there any planning or arrangements we need to do prior to the event?Mar 02 11:03
TavmjongI'm wondering if reaching out to active developers wouldn't help too.Mar 02 11:03
TavmjongAlex was hesitant about coming, not sure if he needed an invite.Mar 02 11:04
bryce_Tavmjong, maybe, yeah.Mar 02 11:04
TavmjongA little push could help...Mar 02 11:04
bryce_like you said, time is short and boston is expensive so I'm not expecting we'll get many people... mostly hoping for people in the New England area already where short notice on travel won't matter.Mar 02 11:04
*ryangorley has to leave but will check back if there are any items he needs to address.Mar 02 11:04
tedgI'm going to have to go in a bit as well.Mar 02 11:05
bryce_ryangorley, thanks.  We're just needing one more vote to approve the printing, so I expect it'll resolve as soon as we find someoneMar 02 11:05
prkosany relevant programmers groups there, py etc?Mar 02 11:05
bryce_tedg, thanks.  yeah we're at the hour markMar 02 11:05
tedgPerhaps we can table the remaining items?Mar 02 11:05
tedgI think we're short folks.Mar 02 11:05
prkoswhy not send invites and if enough interest organize mini onboarding for them to contribute to inkscapeMar 02 11:06
bryce_tedg, yeah probably best to table rest.  I don't think there's anything urgentMar 02 11:07
bryce_==== Other Business ====Mar 02 11:07
bryce_new issue's been escalated -- Josh Andler forwarded an invoice from FastlyMar 02 11:07
bryce_it's a bill for Inkscape website bandwidth in the amount of $5kMar 02 11:08
bryce_for the month of FebMar 02 11:08
bryce_I thought we were fully sponsored on this, so its odd we're being charged.  :-/Mar 02 11:08
tedgUhg, yeah, that is odd.Mar 02 11:09
TavmjongThis needs to be resolved quick... or we could be broke soon!Mar 02 11:09
tedgWe'll need to switch things quickly if we're not.Mar 02 11:09
*tedg waves at ScislaC Mar 02 11:10
bryce_anyway, just a head's up for now.Mar 02 11:10
bryce_anyone else have anything?  else we can closeMar 02 11:10
TavmjongWho is going to take care of this?Mar 02 11:10
bryce_I don't knowMar 02 11:11
TavmjongWho is our contact with Fastly?Mar 02 11:11
tedgI think that doctormo was the one that dealt with them previously?Mar 02 11:11
prkosI'd love to see the stats, do we really have so many visits? The pages are very small in size and there really isn't that much contentMar 02 11:11
tedgprkos: DownloadsMar 02 11:11
MoiniI thought it was Martin, but don't get how the invoice ended up with Josh?Mar 02 11:11
prkosahMar 02 11:11
TavmjongJosh, can you contact Martin directly about this?Mar 02 11:12
tedgScislaC: ^ (make IRC highlight) :-)Mar 02 11:12
ScislaCSorry, my internet connection has been flaky today (it's become apparent that snow affects it somehow in this old building)Mar 02 11:12
ScislaCI can definitely check in with Martin about it.Mar 02 11:13
TavmjongScislaC: Thanks, I think this could be urgent.Mar 02 11:13
bryce_ScislaC suggested maybe asking SFC which sounds goodMar 02 11:13
bryce_I'm curious why we've been covered all this time and now are getting billed for it, did something change?Mar 02 11:14
prkoscan't downloads be served from GitLab or some other service better equipped for bandwidth?Mar 02 11:14
TavmjongProbably good also but SFC is often busy.Mar 02 11:14
bryce_ScislaC, the other thing that looks odd is that there is $5k for Charges Total, but the Invoice Total is only $275.Mar 02 11:14
tedgprkos: Well, fastly did a good job, and it was free...Mar 02 11:15
MoiniJust checked the dates, they started in 12/2014Mar 02 11:15
bryce_ScislaC, there is an item in the invoice for Wildcard TLS Certificate for $275.  Is it possible we're only being charged for that and the bandwidth is still being covered?Mar 02 11:15
jabiertxofsynfig use gumroad and it also help then fundingMar 02 11:15
tedgprkos: Definitely different weighting if we had to pay $5K/mo :-)Mar 02 11:15
ScislaCbryce_: that's how the invoice reads to me.Mar 02 11:15
MoiniThat sounds a lot less worrying, ScislaC.Mar 02 11:16
bryce_ScislaC, in which case what's a Wildcard TLS Certificate?Mar 02 11:16
jabiertxofallow subdomaindMar 02 11:16
jabiertxofs/d/sMar 02 11:16
jabiertxofin SSLMar 02 11:17
Tavmjonghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_certificateMar 02 11:17
bryce_ScislaC, ok let's follow up on this over email and figure out a planMar 02 11:17
ScislaCbryce_: sounds goodMar 02 11:17
Moinihttps://letsencrypt.org/2017/07/06/wildcard-certificates-coming-jan-2018.html ...Mar 02 11:17
bryce_ACTION: Investigate Fastly invoice charges [scislac,bryce]Mar 02 11:18
bryce_Moini, oh good findMar 02 11:18
*tedg needs to run, wavesMar 02 11:18
bryce_== End of Meeting ==Mar 02 11:18
bryce_Thanks allMar 02 11:18
Moinibryce_ not released yet, unfortunately, due to bugs/security issues.Mar 02 11:19
LiamWhttps://community.letsencrypt.org/t/acmev2-and-wildcard-launch-delay/53654/3Mar 02 11:19
cajhneHey folks.Mar 02 11:42
cajhneDid I miss it?Mar 02 11:42
bryce_hi cajhne Mar 02 11:42
bryce_cajhne, yesMar 02 11:42
McyesMar 02 11:42
cajhnesorry about that. I did cast my vote this morning.Mar 02 11:43
*Lazur is late for meeting time?Mar 02 11:44
MoiniYes, Lazur. We're at the end of release meeting.Mar 02 11:44
LazurokMar 02 11:44
crogersDid anyone still here want to talk to me in particular about anything?Mar 02 11:45
Moiniprinters?Mar 02 11:46
crogersprinters for... ?Mar 02 11:46
LazurI'm interested in image renderingMar 02 11:46
Moiniduring board meeting, bryce was curious to learn about the Madras printers, if they replied.Mar 02 11:46
crogersNo, and I've followed up with them twice.Mar 02 11:47
crogersSo my guess is they aren't interested.Mar 02 11:47
crogersOr lost interest.Mar 02 11:47
crogersOr solved their own problems.Mar 02 11:47
crogersYea. I mean I'd personally still like to see it done, regardless if we have funding for it or not.Mar 02 11:48
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