Inkscape Board Meeting Transcript for Wednesday, 2014-11-12

Tavmjong============ Weekly Meeting ==============Nov 12 12:00
TavmjongAgenda: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Board_MeetingsNov 12 12:00
brycedoctormon, thoughts?Nov 12 12:01
doctormonbryce: It's not as good as the NIH I did in perl back in 2005. Man that thing was cool. I'm a little disappointed with the flexibility of the API and design. It's too much work to get small things done and doesn't go nearly far enough with the complex stuff. I actually prefer the django orm, which combined with the model auto-creation plugin (scan) and the command scripts has allowed me to make some projectNov 12 12:03
doctormons which aren't websites, but just data access ports.Nov 12 12:03
brycedoctormon, thanksNov 12 12:06
ScislaCI'm here btw, just hadn't spoke up.Nov 12 12:06
bryceshall we get started then?Nov 12 12:06
ScislaCsureNov 12 12:07
bryceI'd like to start with the LGM hackfest items first, if y'all don't mindNov 12 12:07
TavmjongI think we can skip discussing the Red Hat visits...Nov 12 12:07
bryceand in particular I'd like to get to the voting while we have a quorumNov 12 12:07
doctormonNPNov 12 12:07
bryceToronto vs. BostonNov 12 12:07
doctormonWe're fairly settled on Torronto I believe.Nov 12 12:08
brycedoctormon, in particular I think we were blocking on waiting for your feedback hereNov 12 12:08
brycedoctormon, anything else we should consider?Nov 12 12:08
TavmjongI just sent email to ginger (LGM organizer) to double check on room availability. It appears not to be a problem.Nov 12 12:09
bryceas to Before vs. After LGM, sounds like the only consideration we know of is individual preferenceNov 12 12:09
doctormonI've asked Ginger Coons to join us here if she gets the email in timeNov 12 12:09
TavmjongI probably will only be able to attend if it is before LGM.Nov 12 12:10
brycefor 3 days vs. 2 days the main consideration is cost vs. the extra face time.  Potentially might be scheduling consideration with LGM but we haven't heard anything tangible.Nov 12 12:10
TavmjongLGM starts a day earlier than previously announced.Nov 12 12:10
ScislaCAh, that's good to know.Nov 12 12:11
TavmjongHi ginger! Welcome!Nov 12 12:11
bryceTavmjong, how definitive is your 'probably'?Nov 12 12:11
doctormonOK, so considering Toronto != Montreal, it's a little harder to travel from here to there and so I'd say we should host the hackfest at Toronto, esp since it seems easy enough for Ginger to get us the space.Nov 12 12:11
gingercoons2Getting a space is going to be trivially easy. We have loads of it, and it's easy and free to book,Nov 12 12:12
ScislaCPerhaps on before vs after, the question should be would anyone not be able to make before? (since Tav possibly can't do after)Nov 12 12:12
doctormongingercoons2: Thanks for coming; here means Boston in the Boston vs. Toronoto agenda item.Nov 12 12:12
brycegingercoons2, ah awesomeNov 12 12:12
Tavmjonggingercoons2, Great!Nov 12 12:12
TavmjongI think Toronto is preferable to Boston for travel time and costs. Can we all agree?Nov 12 12:13
ScislaCTavmjong: and visas from my understandingNov 12 12:13
bryce+1 BostonNov 12 12:13
bryceer Nov 12 12:13
bryce+1 Toronto !Nov 12 12:13
ScislaC:)Nov 12 12:13
doctormonlol, +1 BryceNov 12 12:13
brycebrain/hand disconnect thereNov 12 12:13
ScislaCI'm game for either locationNov 12 12:13
bryceBefore vs. After - I'm fine either way.  +1 to Before if it enables Tav to attendNov 12 12:14
gingercoons2If you need more details on visa requirements (generally few): http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.aspNov 12 12:14
doctormonI think I'd be the only pro-Boston and I'm switching to pro-Toronto, should we move on?Nov 12 12:14
TavmjongJonCruz, ?Nov 12 12:14
bryce2 day vs. 3day:  +1 to 3day for the extra face time.  I think the extra cost won't be a big deal (~$100/person)Nov 12 12:14
johan_e_+1 TNov 12 12:14
ScislaC+1 to 3dayNov 12 12:15
doctormonSo get there on sunday, three day hackfest, 5 day LGM fly back on Thursday? (and/or social time till Saturday :-))Nov 12 12:15
johan_e_days: depends on weekends etcNov 12 12:15
JonCruzcatching upb (was driving)Nov 12 12:15
doctormon+1 3daysNov 12 12:15
Tavmjong+1 to 3dayNov 12 12:15
bryceok sounds like Toronto for 3 days.  Anyone else want to vote on before vs. after?Nov 12 12:16
doctormon+1 BeforeNov 12 12:16
johan_e_(http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2015)Nov 12 12:16
bryceso far, +3 for Before +0 After, one don't careNov 12 12:17
johan_e_LGM = 29 april (Wedn), May 2 (Sat)Nov 12 12:17
doctormon(the only note about before vs after I can make is that non-inkscapers will have a harder time hearing about it before, where as after we're more likely to get participation from locals who went to LGM)Nov 12 12:17
JonCruzdon't care :-)Nov 12 12:17
doctormonOnly 4 days for LGM? thought it was 5Nov 12 12:18
doctormongingercoons2 Asked via email what our room requirements will be so she can narrow the selection of rooms down.Nov 12 12:19
doctormona) internet b) projector c) near to an exit for lunch/dinner escape attempts.Nov 12 12:19
brycehmm, good questionNov 12 12:19
brycea and b definitelyNov 12 12:19
brycec I don't think matters.  We got legs.Nov 12 12:20
Tavmjongwhite/black boardNov 12 12:20
johan_e_desksNov 12 12:20
TavmjongchairsNov 12 12:20
brycedesks or tables would be nice, yeahNov 12 12:21
bryceesp. with power cablesNov 12 12:21
gingercoons2all of these things are very possibleNov 12 12:21
doctormonelectricity, roof, maybe a window?Nov 12 12:21
gingercoons2so no very special requirements, then?Nov 12 12:21
brycegingercoons2, other than the fireman's pole to get to the first level?  noNov 12 12:22
bryce;-)Nov 12 12:22
TavmjongFor a three day meeting, we would start on a Sunday. Any problems getting room access?Nov 12 12:22
gingercoons2we're looking at the Sunday after LGM?Nov 12 12:22
TavmjongBeforeNov 12 12:22
brycegingercoons2, beforeNov 12 12:22
gingercoons2ah, gotcha. So that's the 26th of April, then?Nov 12 12:23
TavmjongYes, the 26th.Nov 12 12:23
ScislaCcorrectNov 12 12:23
gingercoons2shouldn't be an issue.Nov 12 12:23
brycewhat are we figuring for attendance numbers?Nov 12 12:23
gingercoons2the room that's easiest to put you in is in a building that's open until 10pm, but has extended hours during that weekNov 12 12:24
JonCruzalso, we're not colliding with Easter schedules or anything, right?Nov 12 12:24
TavmjongWe had eight Inkscapers in Leipzig. Hopefully we'll get a few more this time as we are starting early and we are contributing more to travel.Nov 12 12:24
bryceeaster's april 5thNov 12 12:25
bryceTavmjong, plus locals or other unfunded...  20-30 max we're guessing?Nov 12 12:25
doctormonTavmjong: that will be great, Lipzvig was great.Nov 12 12:25
johan_e_hm, for me, it seems a little wasteful in terms of taking free days from work… :/Nov 12 12:26
TavmjongThat included locals and unfunded in Leipzig.Nov 12 12:26
bryce12-20 probably more realisticallyNov 12 12:26
Tavmjongbryce, 12-20 seems more reasonable.Nov 12 12:26
Tavmjongjohan_e, Why is it wasteful? Fly in on Saturday. Start hacking on Sunday.Nov 12 12:27
johan_e_hm okNov 12 12:28
JonCruzgive a lightning talk at LGM on what was accomplishedNov 12 12:29
TavmjongJonCruz, good idea.Nov 12 12:29
*tedg is late, sorryNov 12 12:30
gingercoons2quick intervention to ask if anyone needs to know anything else right now about arrangements in Toronto?Nov 12 12:30
ScislaCDoes LGM have lightning talks in the schedule?Nov 12 12:30
gingercoons2Normally, yesNov 12 12:30
FailBit<!-- johan_e_, maybe found a bug in powerstroke http://imgh.us/powerstroke.svg -->Nov 12 12:30
Tavmjonggingercoons2, Thanks for joining us! We can ping you if we have more questions.Nov 12 12:30
ScislaCThank you gingercoons2!!!Nov 12 12:31
gingercoons2for sure! any timeNov 12 12:31
FailBit<!-- https://i.imgur.com/1A0IljX.png -->Nov 12 12:32
TavmjongTo summarize: We've agreed to a three day hacking session in Toronto before LGM?Nov 12 12:32
doctormonYesNov 12 12:32
johan_e_FailBit: some other time Liam. I know of several bugs in powerstroke :(Nov 12 12:32
brycealright, thanks sounds like we have decisions for those votesNov 12 12:33
johan_e_with a travel-in day on Saturday? (i.e. meet in evening? accomm?)Nov 12 12:33
brycewe can cleanup the Hackfest page based on thisNov 12 12:33
Tavmjongjohan_e, Yes.Nov 12 12:33
doctormonI'll travel in on Saturday I think. Better to have a good night's rest.Nov 12 12:34
brycenext topic:  can everyone take a few minutes to re-read http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2015#The_Pitch and suggest more copyedits?Nov 12 12:35
tedgbryce, Curious if we need specific "suggested donations". $500 lunch for the hackfest. $2000 sponsor a developer. etc.Nov 12 12:36
brycetedg, I'm open to that, what's everyone else think?Nov 12 12:38
doctormonAre we talking about the donations yet? (still waiting for that)Nov 12 12:38
johan_e_"to reach the limits of their creativity" ?   —> "to explore their creativity"Nov 12 12:38
tedgThis would be a pitch to companies willing to donate, so I guess yes.Nov 12 12:38
brycedoctormon, yeah anything that we might want to say in the fundraising pitchNov 12 12:38
Tavmjongjohan_e, +1Nov 12 12:39
tedgDo others have ideas at specific "donation amounts"?Nov 12 12:39
brycetedg, I'm thinking we'd also post it as the text for the website's donation pageNov 12 12:39
tedgSeems good to bring them down to "real things."Nov 12 12:39
brycebut perhaps we can have a corporate variant separate from the public variant if people think that'd be a good idea?Nov 12 12:39
tedgWell I definitely think we should have different suggested amounts for the two groups ;-)Nov 12 12:40
johan_e_Second sentence should be something like: "And many like Inkscape to create simple drawings or just noodle a bit."  (i am thinking about people that use inkscape for a simple diagram, tech drawing, etc, that do not think of themselves as "digital artist")Nov 12 12:40
Tavmjongjohan_e, Good idea... needs a bit of work on wording.Nov 12 12:41
bryceok any other copyedits?  I'll incorporate theseNov 12 12:44
Tavmjongjohan_e, Should be combined into one sentence. "Inkscape enables beginners to create simple drawings while allowing digital artist to explore their creativity.Nov 12 12:44
johan_e_Tavmjong: niceNov 12 12:44
JonCruzor maybe simple drawings and diagrams?Nov 12 12:44
TavmjongJonCruz, sure.Nov 12 12:45
brycedoctormon, you wanted to discuss donations?  Mind also updating us on other relevant website stuff?Nov 12 12:45
johan_e_without "beginners" somehowNov 12 12:45
JonCruzimplying a simple replacement for basic visioNov 12 12:45
Tavmjongjohan_e, OKNov 12 12:45
johan_e_(note: i wonder if companies that do not do graphic stuff would donate somehow. there are a ton of scientists and engineers that use inkscape, for example)Nov 12 12:45
doctormonbryce: YES!Nov 12 12:46
doctormonSorry for the delay.Nov 12 12:46
ScislaCbryce: I have a handful of thoughts regarding the copy for that, so I will email you later. (I don't want to focus too much on it right now)Nov 12 12:46
ScislaC(that being the The Pitch)Nov 12 12:46
doctormonOK so the staging website is updated, everyone can see it here: http://staging.inkscape.org it uses different auth than inkscape.org so you'll need a new account if you don't have one yet.Nov 12 12:47
JonCruzyet another login  :-)Nov 12 12:47
doctormonIt has the project work pushed there and I've been looking at the different modules for accepting payments. There's two main parts, fleshing out a project, it's requirements, it's tasks etc and then the funding part with amounts of money, who from and possible reward tiers.Nov 12 12:47
doctormonyou can see the project bones at http://staging.inkscape.org/project/ while admins can see http://staging.inkscape.org/admin/projects/ for full controlNov 12 12:48
doctormonI'm looking for a css designer type to help me with the front end part to this project.Nov 12 12:49
TavmjongI think ryanlerch responded to your previous request but you had just exited IRC.Nov 12 12:49
doctormonI'll be working through a few of Brync's comments and then onto funding to accept money. So I'm pushing functionality before the look of the thing. Hence need for css person.Nov 12 12:50
doctormonGood ol' ryanlerch :-)Nov 12 12:50
ryanlerchhiya doctormon TavmjongNov 12 12:50
ryanlerch:DNov 12 12:50
Tavmjongryanlerch, Hi!Nov 12 12:50
doctormonEllo!Nov 12 12:50
bryceI used it to enter the Blur feature and it worked relatively well.  Those of you with action items to write up project descriptions, I'd encourage use of this.  Makes it real simple to pick out your criteria items (or add new ones).Nov 12 12:51
doctormonbryce: The one part you didn't see was how each deliverable can have tasks. Hence http://staging.inkscape.org/en/admin/projects/deliverable/ editing screenNov 12 12:52
ryanlerchan important thing to be sure to include in those write-ups is what the benefit to the user is -- will boxblur make things render faster over the regular blur?Nov 12 12:53
doctormonI figured we could put the release in as a project with all the deliverables and tasks. Once we have a front end that'll show it all nice and make it a single click to 'finish' the task.Nov 12 12:53
Tavmjongryanlerch, Good point!Nov 12 12:53
ryanlerchbtw, if it does -- http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/241/9e9.gifNov 12 12:54
doctormonryanlerch: Interested in sitting down with me to do some website?Nov 12 12:54
Tavmjongdoctormon, I seem to need a password reset for staging.inkscape.orgNov 12 12:56
ryanlerchdoctormon, a new one? or stuff on the current inkscape.orgNov 12 12:57
doctormonryanlerch: It's this project/funding thing we're talking about hereNov 12 12:57
doctormonfor inkscape.orgNov 12 12:57
ryanlerchahNov 12 12:57
doctormonTavmjong: You're not on the user list for staging.inkscape.org, just must have been resetNov 12 12:57
Tavmjongdoctormon, Can you set me up?Nov 12 12:58
brycedoctormon, I did see the tasks there and like it!Nov 12 12:59
TavmjongWe've been talking about project funding... are we going to use this for the LGM hackfest?Nov 12 13:00
doctormonTavmjong: Is your user created? Are you using google, facebook etc or just a regular login?Nov 12 13:00
Tavmjongdoctormon, regular loginNov 12 13:00
doctormonTavmjong: tav 123456 please change asapNov 12 13:01
ScislaCdoctormon: do I have a current login on staging or can I go for using my google login to create one?Nov 12 13:01
doctormonAlso you are a god, so yeah. :-)Nov 12 13:01
doctormonScislaC: You're missing tooNov 12 13:01
ScislaCdoctormon: so I can just use google then?Nov 12 13:02
doctormonyes, I'll enable god mode once you've done itNov 12 13:02
bryceTavmjong, what we discussed at last week's meeting was to simplify funding for the hackfestNov 12 13:02
ScislaCdoctormon: doneNov 12 13:03
Tavmjongdoctormon, Changed.Nov 12 13:03
Tavmjongbryce, What is the status, then, of a funding page for the hackfest?Nov 12 13:04
bryceTavmjong, essentially make a copy of the existing Donate page, paste the Pitch on top, and make it tag donations as "Hackfest" via the item_id or whatever so we can filter out general donations from hackfest-specific onesNov 12 13:04
doctormonScislaC: IDQDNov 12 13:04
Tavmjongbryce, OK.Nov 12 13:04
bryceScislaC, iirc you had some plans there, want to fill us in on where we're at ?Nov 12 13:04
ScislaCdoctormon: IDDQD, IDKFA, that's all I remember for now...Nov 12 13:05
ScislaC:)Nov 12 13:05
doctormon;-)Nov 12 13:06
brycebtw, pitch is updated - http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2015#The_PitchNov 12 13:08
ScislaCbryce: I had gotten some rather uninteresting mocks started, but doctormon had said he wanted to reach out to the community for the design stuff (which I feel is probably better), so my efforts got sidetracked to the copyright stuff. :-/Nov 12 13:08
johan_e_doctormon: i like the picture on the staging website. you can change the text to something about Hackfest when it goes live :)Nov 12 13:08
johan_e_bryce: shouldn't there be a $5 donation amount too?Nov 12 13:09
ScislaCcopyright/license stuff that isNov 12 13:09
brycejohan_e, probablyNov 12 13:09
Tavmjongbryce, definitely need an average person contribution valueNov 12 13:10
bryce$5 and $50?Nov 12 13:10
tedgYeah, I think there should be a $5 and $10 one.Nov 12 13:10
tedg$5 supporter, $10 friend, $50 Inkscape LoverNov 12 13:11
tedg:-)Nov 12 13:11
doctormon$50,000 - Sugar daddyNov 12 13:11
Tavmjongtedg, +1Nov 12 13:11
ScislaChahahaNov 12 13:11
tedgI like the idea from the D conference of selling hackfest T-shirts.Nov 12 13:11
bryce"I owe you a beer" is a common refrain, what's a beer cost in Toronto?Nov 12 13:12
tedgThey could be "expensive", like $25, and contribute.Nov 12 13:12
Tavmjongtedg, That sounds like a bit of work for a relatively small group.Nov 12 13:12
johan_e_I was hoping we could spend some time during the hackfest to actually design a nice t-shirt (something more than just "Inkscape" on a white t-shirt)Nov 12 13:13
JonCruzbeer level, like how arduino is proceed at student weekend pizza dinner levelNov 12 13:13
bryceTavmjong, exactly what I was thinkingNov 12 13:13
tedgTavmjong, I was hoping that we could do an "about screen" style contest for it.Nov 12 13:13
johan_e_tedg: yeahNov 12 13:13
JonCruzooh, nice connection for the fund contributors thereNov 12 13:13
tedgSo it wouldn't be t-shirts for just the attendees, it'd be more of a fund-raising thing.Nov 12 13:13
tedg"Have a T-shirt that looks like bryce!"Nov 12 13:14
bryceew, noNov 12 13:14
tedgthat matchesNov 12 13:14
johan_e_t-shirt like: http://hirharang.com/get-your-favorite-design-on-your-t-shirt.htmlNov 12 13:14
Tavmjongtedg, That's an interesting idea... but I am worried about adding organization overhead for our first hackfest.Nov 12 13:14
Tavmjongginger has booked us a room: I've provisionally booked a room for you fromNov 12 13:15
Tavmjongthe 26th to the 29th. It's a nice space, comfortably holds up to aboutNov 12 13:15
Tavmjong30 people, has a 40" TV (rather than a projector, but getting anNov 12 13:15
Tavmjongadditional projector is also possible), and has power outlets built intoNov 12 13:15
Tavmjongreconfigurable tables. Figured I'd book now to be safe, but if you haveNov 12 13:15
Tavmjongany changes, just let me know.Nov 12 13:15
johan_e_not at all that design, but you know what i mean. a t-shirt you could actually see in a store somewhere.Nov 12 13:15
brycehttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/348/103/82d.jpg  ?Nov 12 13:15
tedgYeah, I'd want something I could wear. My old one is getting… old.Nov 12 13:15
johan_e_bryce: or thatNov 12 13:15
doctormonThose are some old memes you're packingNov 12 13:16
tedgbryce, You've read my mind. "What happens when they asked Chuck Norris to use Illustrator?" ;-)Nov 12 13:16
bryceSuggested donation amounts:Nov 12 13:16
bryce* $5 - If you owe an Inkscape developer a beverageNov 12 13:16
bryce* $50 - Food & Incidentals for one developerNov 12 13:16
bryce* $500 - Lunch for the hackfestNov 12 13:16
bryce* $2000 - Sponsor a developerNov 12 13:16
brycemoving on...Nov 12 13:17
tedg+1Nov 12 13:17
ScislaC+1Nov 12 13:18
brycelast topic - recruitment of more planners / volunteersNov 12 13:18
johan_e_bryce: coolNov 12 13:18
brycewe have a good showing here at this meeting, but we've got a fair number of tasks ahead of us and it might be handy to bring in a few more folks to help out.Nov 12 13:19
brycethoughts?Nov 12 13:19
TavmjongCould help to find a local.Nov 12 13:19
Tavmjonghttp://torontocalligraphyguild.org/tag/inkscape/Nov 12 13:19
tedgI think it's a good idea, but we'll probably need specific tasks.Nov 12 13:19
ScislaCYeah, I have a better chance of finding people depending on identified tasks.Nov 12 13:20
bryceone small idea I had was, since we may have some website work to do, to have doctormo offer django mentoring to someone interested in working on some simple django tasks for the hackfest?Nov 12 13:20
johan_e_bryce: not a bad ideaNov 12 13:21
bryceTavmjong, +1 to looking for locals.  I'm sure there'll be some random local tasks we could use help with.Nov 12 13:22
johan_e_bryce: other website jobs could be done too by that volunteer  (say, a blog post, cleaning up our pages, moving some more info to the website)Nov 12 13:22
*tedg unfortunately has to runNov 12 13:22
brycerightNov 12 13:22
johan_e_later tedgNov 12 13:22
ScislaCcya tedgNov 12 13:22
doctormonIt starts with editing and translations and moves onto html/css fixes and then finally coding.Nov 12 13:23
doctormonIf I can get ryanlerch to meet sometime we can do a micro-hackfest here in Boston for that too. But it depends on his availability and desire to help with web work.Nov 12 13:23
bryceperhaps what we should do for now is to start jotting down some simple tasks into wiki we need help with.  Then next week we can work out recruitment.Nov 12 13:25
ScislaCdoctormon: Side Q, is it possible to do custom CSS on a page in a straightforward way? (on our site obviously)Nov 12 13:25
ScislaCbryce: great ideaNov 12 13:25
brycealright, we're over time.  anyone have anything else?Nov 12 13:25
johan_e_yesNov 12 13:25
johan_e_http://jenkins.inkscape.org:8080/Nov 12 13:26
brycejohan_e, whoa, sweetness!Nov 12 13:26
johan_e_I have disabled signing up for it (would just create a mess)Nov 12 13:26
brycejohan_e, that got set up quickNov 12 13:26
doctormonScislaC: I think so, but it'll need adding into the website framework if we want CMS CSS.Nov 12 13:27
johan_e_if you want access to help out with the CI system (thanks :)), let me know and we'll add an account for youNov 12 13:27
johan_e_bryce: there is a Coverity plugin that you might be able to use. but first get it running on cmdlineNov 12 13:27
ScislaCdoctormon: I think it would rock if we could do something like devintart's journal custom css when it comes to things like announcing contests, fundraisers, etc.Nov 12 13:28
johan_e_bryNov 12 13:28
johan_e_bryce, Tavmjong: next item to add is the rendertestsNov 12 13:28
ScislaCjohan_e_: did you see the message about the testers mailing list yesterday?Nov 12 13:28
johan_e_ScislaC: yes i didNov 12 13:28
Tavmjongjohan_e, Superb!Nov 12 13:28
johan_e_ScislaC: great ideaNov 12 13:28
johan_e_ScislaC: you remind me about setting up sendmail on the server for thatNov 12 13:28
johan_e_ScislaC,bryce: i don't know how to do that. Bryce?Nov 12 13:29
brycejohan_e, yeah I can take care of that.  Might be a couple days until I get around to it tho.Nov 12 13:29
johan_e_bryce: no probNov 12 13:30
bryceI'll set up msmtp rather than full on sendmailNov 12 13:30
johan_e_bryce: as simple as possible indeedNov 12 13:30
johan_e_bryce: the storage will be a problem. 8G is really little. can we pay them a little to insert a second disk? :PNov 12 13:30
TavmjongI need to split! Great meeting.Nov 12 13:30
johan_e_Tavmjong: ciaoNov 12 13:30
johan_e_bryce: how to check total file space usage?Nov 12 13:30
ScislaCcya Tavmjong!Nov 12 13:31
brycejohan_e, `df -h .`Nov 12 13:31
bryce============== End Meeting =================Nov 12 13:31

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