| Tavmjong | ================ Board Meeting ================== | Dec 02 12:00 |
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| Tavmjong | Who's here? | Dec 02 12:01 |
| rindolf | Tavmjong: i am | Dec 02 12:01 |
| Tavmjong | rindolf: So I won't be alone! | Dec 02 12:02 |
| prkos | oy! | Dec 02 12:02 |
| Tavmjong | Hey tweenk! | Dec 02 12:02 |
| tweenk | Hello | Dec 02 12:02 |
| bryce | heya all | Dec 02 12:03 |
| Tavmjong | tedg, ScislaC ? | Dec 02 12:03 |
| bryce | lots of topics on the agenda, let's dive in | Dec 02 12:04 |
| tedg | o/ | Dec 02 12:04 |
| ScislaC | Hello | Dec 02 12:04 |
| bryce | ============ Merchandise Sales ============== | Dec 02 12:04 |
| bryce | Great work to all involved in getting the spreadshirt site set up, I know it's not been easy. | Dec 02 12:04 |
| bryce | We've had a chance to order a few items and review them | Dec 02 12:05 |
| Tavmjong | Do you have a link? | Dec 02 12:05 |
| bryce | one sec | Dec 02 12:05 |
| rindolf | tweenk: hi | Dec 02 12:05 |
| prkos | https://shop.spreadshirt.com/inkscape-shop/ | Dec 02 12:05 |
| bryce | thanks prkos | Dec 02 12:06 |
| bryce | one of the nice things about spreadshirt is there's no minimum inventory - items are printed on demand | Dec 02 12:06 |
| bryce | a downside is the result kind of appears to be an article with a sticker ironed onto it | Dec 02 12:07 |
| bryce | (which I suppose is basically what it is) | Dec 02 12:07 |
| bryce | so there's been some concerns that the perceived quality might not be up to what we would want to be presenting as a project | Dec 02 12:07 |
| ScislaC | Especially at those prices... | Dec 02 12:08 |
| bryce | anyway, I think we're at a point where some board direction would be useful to know where we should go with this from here | Dec 02 12:08 |
| Tavmjong | Why would someone want the Inkscape logo on their derriere? | Dec 02 12:09 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: The question is: "Why wouldn't you?" ;-) | Dec 02 12:09 |
| tedg | For me, I don't love spreadshirt, but I'm not sure of better options. | Dec 02 12:10 |
| Tavmjong | If it's low quality and as it's expensive I'm not 100% happy with it. | Dec 02 12:10 |
| tedg | bryce: Do you know doctormo's thoughts? | Dec 02 12:10 |
| tedg | He doesn't seem to be here. | Dec 02 12:10 |
| prkos | I've done a little bit of research on that | Dec 02 12:10 |
| bryce | tedg, that's a good question; he did post a fair bit to the list, so we know basically what he's thinking | Dec 02 12:11 |
| prkos | Spreadshirt seems to have great reviews compared to other similar services | Dec 02 12:11 |
| prkos | it's actually on the lower price end for similar articles | Dec 02 12:11 |
| prkos | reliable, good shipping, customer support etc | Dec 02 12:11 |
| prkos | the only downside is their main shop community isn't as large as some other companies | Dec 02 12:12 |
| tedg | I think the other thing we could look at is the services that do "Kickstarter style" shirt orders. Where you get a bunch of people to order, and then it gets printed. | Dec 02 12:12 |
| bryce | my wife has done shirts for her teacher's union and confirmed that it's difficult to get quality shirts without pre-purchasing large lots of inventory. | Dec 02 12:12 |
| prkos | but it seems we won't be using their community as target audience anyway so it doesn't matter | Dec 02 12:12 |
| tedg | I don't really like that for things like the logo shirts, but could work for contests. | Dec 02 12:12 |
| Tavmjong | Is it US only? | Dec 02 12:12 |
| prkos | no worldwide | Dec 02 12:13 |
| prkos | they're a German company | Dec 02 12:13 |
| bryce | tedg, you ordered a t-shirt right? What was the fabric quality? | Dec 02 12:13 |
| prkos | I have a feeling that print quality might depend a lot of the drawing, and possibly the article | Dec 02 12:13 |
| prkos | they have more than one printing method available, but they decide I guess for each combination | Dec 02 12:14 |
| tedg | bryce: The fabric was nice, it was American Apparel | Dec 02 12:14 |
| bryce | prkos, oh interesting | Dec 02 12:14 |
| tedg | Huh, so perhaps we made bad choices :-) | Dec 02 12:14 |
| prkos | I think we might find some winning combinations of drawing/article that would be high quality | Dec 02 12:14 |
| bryce | tedg, if you'd seen it in a store, think you'd have bought it? | Dec 02 12:14 |
| prkos | but it takes some experimenting | Dec 02 12:14 |
| Tavmjong | Language options are English/French with UPS or USPS shipping. Maybe I'm getting a US site. | Dec 02 12:14 |
| prkos | consensus is that we shouldn't have a huge number of articles in the shop anyway | Dec 02 12:15 |
| bryce | prkos, probably not | Dec 02 12:15 |
| tedg | bryce: Really on the edge, the shirt is nice but the printing is sticker like. I'd be drawn to the Inkscape logo though :-) | Dec 02 12:15 |
| prkos | we should strategically select the ones that would benefit users the most | Dec 02 12:15 |
| bryce | certainly I'm thinking we need to order at least one sample ourselves before adding a new kind of article to the store, just for QA | Dec 02 12:16 |
| tedg | I think first round we should just have a ladies and unisex t-shirt I think. | Dec 02 12:16 |
| prkos | I'd love to see photos of those shirts! so far I've only seen the mug and the cap | Dec 02 12:16 |
| jabiertxof | inkscape logo is shaded or flat? | Dec 02 12:16 |
| bryce | jabiertxof, I believe we have a mix. Mine was flat iirc | Dec 02 12:17 |
| prkos | we have both flat and 3d ATM | Dec 02 12:17 |
| *tedg doesn't have a picture handy | Dec 02 12:17 | |
| prkos | but 3D is digital print I expect the worst there, though we haven't tried it | Dec 02 12:17 |
| tweenk | When it comes to quality, can't say anything about Spreadshirt, but I used Uberprints for a one-off and it was very good. However, they don't set up a storefront and handle fulfillment for you | Dec 02 12:17 |
| prkos | I don't think anyone ordered it yet | Dec 02 12:17 |
| tedg | Yeah, I think my shirt and hat were flat. | Dec 02 12:18 |
| tedg | The quality of the printing look-wise was good. But it feels like a plastic blob instead of ink on fabric. | Dec 02 12:18 |
| tweenk | I can order a bunch of these items and send some feedback | Dec 02 12:18 |
| Tavmjong | So their is a French website but it doesn't appear that you can order the Inkscape stuff from it. | Dec 02 12:19 |
| Tavmjong | s/thier/there/ | Dec 02 12:19 |
| tweenk | Uberprints apparently has a DTG printer and it doesn't feel like a sticker at all | Dec 02 12:19 |
| prkos | please don't order until we sort out the articles and drawings | Dec 02 12:19 |
| prkos | currently it's a bit all over the place | Dec 02 12:19 |
| bryce | what's a DTG printer? | Dec 02 12:19 |
| tweenk | prkos: OK, just tell me when they're ready then | Dec 02 12:19 |
| prkos | it was just to test and learn | Dec 02 12:19 |
| tweenk | bryce: it's a different tech | Dec 02 12:19 |
| prkos | I expect we'll have it ready within 10 days | Dec 02 12:20 |
| prkos | I need to bring up some branding discussions on the list first | Dec 02 12:20 |
| tweenk | most of the on-demand sites use something like iron-on foil cutouts | Dec 02 12:20 |
| bryce | yeah | Dec 02 12:21 |
| bryce | on-demand has a lot of benefits to us; otherwise we're likely to endure a bit of an administrative chore that's probably not going to be worth the $$ | Dec 02 12:21 |
| prkos | but the main logo and tagline drawing versions won't change, we only need to decide on which articles to include in the store | Dec 02 12:21 |
| tweenk | if you order a larger batch, they use screen printing | Dec 02 12:21 |
| tweenk | but Uberprints apparently has a direct-to-garment (DTG) inkjet | Dec 02 12:21 |
| tweenk | I ordered a t-shirt from them and it looks like the design was directly printed onto the fabric, it's completely soft and does not feel like a foil cutout or a screen print at all | Dec 02 12:22 |
| prkos | https://help.spreadshirt.com/hc/en-us/articles/207487605 | Dec 02 12:22 |
| bryce | prkos, ahh | Dec 02 12:23 |
| tweenk | anyway, I just wanted to make sure that people are aware that such technology exists, it's just that the Spreadshirt style companies don't seem to use it for some reason | Dec 02 12:24 |
| tweenk | Maybe it's just too expensive for now | Dec 02 12:24 |
| tweenk | (to buy the printer) | Dec 02 12:24 |
| bryce | tweenk, thanks worth keeping as an option at least | Dec 02 12:25 |
| tweenk | bryce: it would be best if we could find a Spreadshirt style fulfillment company that has a DTG inkjet, that would be the best of both worlds... | Dec 02 12:25 |
| bryce | tweenk, *nod* | Dec 02 12:25 |
| bryce | brief google turns up tons and tons of custom t-shirt printers | Dec 02 12:26 |
| Tavmjong | I do like the "Inkscape Shop Freely" logo! | Dec 02 12:26 |
| prkos | http://www.nwcustomapparel.com/apparel-printing | Dec 02 12:27 |
| prkos | Tavmjong: that was Martin's work I think | Dec 02 12:27 |
| bryce | well, how about if for the time being we proceed with spreadshirt but limited to just the two types of shirts tedg proposed, and in parallel do some research into alternatives? | Dec 02 12:27 |
| Tavmjong | bryce: Sounds good. | Dec 02 12:28 |
| tedg | Yeah, it does look like they do digital printing. Would be interesting to see what happens there. | Dec 02 12:28 |
| tedg | It looks like if you have gradients they push it that way. | Dec 02 12:28 |
| tedg | Perhaps we need to put the 3d design on a shirt and it'll happen automatically. | Dec 02 12:29 |
| bryce | prkos, interesting they do custom embroidered shirts too | Dec 02 12:29 |
| prkos | ooooo embroidered would be perfect for Inkscape :D | Dec 02 12:29 |
| jabiertxof | abrock_ like it! | Dec 02 12:30 |
| bryce | tedg, perhaps we should have the project run an order with the 3D logo? Send it to someone as a gift, and ask for their review :-) | Dec 02 12:30 |
| bryce | would anyone like to take the task of browsing t-shirt sites and build a short-list of alternatives for us to investigate? | Dec 02 12:31 |
| tedg | I'm willing to buy one, I like wearing Inkscape T-shirts, I can have more than one :-) | Dec 02 12:31 |
| prkos | I can do that, I've already done a bit while researching into Spreadshirt | Dec 02 12:32 |
| bryce | prkos, cool thanks | Dec 02 12:32 |
| bryce | tedg, great thanks :-) | Dec 02 12:32 |
| bryce | ok, anything else on merchandise? Moving to next topic otherwise. | Dec 02 12:32 |
| prkos | tedg: I'll make one just for you, you can ping me your preferred article | Dec 02 12:33 |
| rindolf | bye all - I'm going to sleep | Dec 02 12:34 |
| bryce | okay. I'll drop a note to doctormo and Mihaela about our discussion. | Dec 02 12:34 |
| bryce | ================== Sponsorship Levels ================= | Dec 02 12:35 |
| bryce | good news, we've been contacted by someone that wants to be a silver-level sponsor for the project. :-) | Dec 02 12:35 |
| Tavmjong | Wow! | Dec 02 12:35 |
| bryce | I'm working with doctormo for sorting out what modifications need done to the website | Dec 02 12:36 |
| bryce | at least so far, their questions have revolved more around logo placement on the website than development direction or whatnot, so I think that might be the only action item we'll be responsible to tend to | Dec 02 12:37 |
| bryce | this makes me feel it would probably be highly in our benefit to display the sponsorship levels that we nailed down somewhere on the website. | Dec 02 12:38 |
| bryce | unfortunately doctormo isn't here, was hoping to chat him up on that a bit. | Dec 02 12:38 |
| Tavmjong | +1 on display levels | Dec 02 12:38 |
| bryce | Anyway, apart from that no action needed by the board right now, just FYI. | Dec 02 12:38 |
| tedg | Tha'ts great. | Dec 02 12:38 |
| bryce | oh, also had an inkling thought that might behoove us to think about more benefits at the upper tiers | Dec 02 12:39 |
| bryce | ok, next topic is Inkscape forum | Dec 02 12:40 |
| tedg | T-shirts! ;-) | Dec 02 12:40 |
| bryce | ==================== Inkscape Forum ==================== | Dec 02 12:40 |
| bryce | do we any forum folks? | Dec 02 12:40 |
| prkos | oy | Dec 02 12:40 |
| bryce | :-) | Dec 02 12:40 |
| prkos | I looked into migrating phpBB and I don't expect problems there | Dec 02 12:41 |
| bryce | I've been sick the last several weeks and kind of lost complete track of where we were. Last I recall we were waiting for the database dump from the past owner? | Dec 02 12:41 |
| prkos | at least not with how it's done generally speaking | Dec 02 12:41 |
| bryce | prkos, ok cool | Dec 02 12:41 |
| prkos | the only glitch might be the server not supporting the phpBB version, wrong PHP version or similar | Dec 02 12:42 |
| bryce | I know there were also some questions relating to getting it hosted, but not sure if that's resolved or still open | Dec 02 12:42 |
| prkos | but yet we're waiting still on the db and files | Dec 02 12:42 |
| prkos | *yes | Dec 02 12:42 |
| prkos | AFAIK we have control of the domain? | Dec 02 12:43 |
| bryce | yes we do, that's sorted. | Dec 02 12:43 |
| prkos | inkscapeforum.org | Dec 02 12:43 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon! | Dec 02 12:43 |
| prkos | then it's just a matter of getting the files, and quickly setting it up so we don't lose any forum activity while migrating | Dec 02 12:44 |
| doctormon | Tavmjong: I added 12 noon Pacific time into my calendar, it said 5pm local time. Is this wrong? | Dec 02 12:44 |
| tedg | PST instead of PDT? | Dec 02 12:44 |
| Tavmjong | Yes! There is only a three hour time difference. | Dec 02 12:44 |
| bryce | damn round earth and its roundness :-) | Dec 02 12:45 |
| prkos | lol | Dec 02 12:45 |
| tedg | bryce: You can't prove that! | Dec 02 12:45 |
| doctormon | Ugh, the stupid thing added the hours twice. | Dec 02 12:45 |
| bryce | doctormon, see scrollback feel free to pepper in commentary | Dec 02 12:45 |
| doctormon | I'm formally objecting to board meeting being posted in Pacific time without an ical file to back it up. | Dec 02 12:46 |
| tedg | prkos: Cool, is there anything we can do to get the files? Or is it just waiting really? | Dec 02 12:46 |
| prkos | not sure | Dec 02 12:46 |
| doctormon | This is not the first time I've been caught with my pants down because of the timezone. | Dec 02 12:46 |
| prkos | there was talk about security | Dec 02 12:46 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon: doctormon time is listed on the Board meeting page just for you! | Dec 02 12:46 |
| bryce | doctormon, careful, that way leads to getting volunteered ;-) | Dec 02 12:46 |
| prkos | PGP keys and transferring the db and files securely | Dec 02 12:46 |
| bryce | prkos, right, due to user password hashes and email addresses | Dec 02 12:47 |
| tedg | Heh, okay. Public forum data, right? | Dec 02 12:47 |
| doctormon | bryce: There's no scroll back, I'm going to have to wait for the logs. | Dec 02 12:47 |
| prkos | yes | Dec 02 12:47 |
| bryce | doctormon, ah ok | Dec 02 12:47 |
| prkos | brynn offered her hosting account for the transfer but I guess we're stuck there | Dec 02 12:47 |
| prkos | not sure if we really need all this security around this, and if we do which method to use | Dec 02 12:48 |
| doctormon | We're talking about the forum right | Dec 02 12:48 |
| prkos | yes forum | Dec 02 12:48 |
| prkos | getting the files of the existing forum to install on our own server | Dec 02 12:48 |
| prkos | bryce: the chosen server is of the OSC right? | Dec 02 12:49 |
| bryce | tedg, brynn has been pinging the owner about it, but I sense the pgp bit might be adding some uncertainty - if you were to jump into the discussion perhaps you could help clear whatever brush is preventing forward progress? | Dec 02 12:49 |
| bryce | prkos, do you mean OSUOSL? | Dec 02 12:49 |
| prkos | yes lol | Dec 02 12:49 |
| bryce | yes, plan A would be to host there, and while I think we're waiting on some info I don't think we've hit any actual blockers yet | Dec 02 12:50 |
| bryce | last month we talked about thinking about possible plan B/C options just in case as a backup | Dec 02 12:50 |
| prkos | sure I can jump in and bother Courtney, I think mostly we're waiting for his replies, he's not quick to reply | Dec 02 12:50 |
| bryce | there's a bunch of options out there for FOSS projects, at varying levels of service and accessibility and beefiness | Dec 02 12:51 |
| bryce | prkos, cool that would be a big help | Dec 02 12:51 |
| prkos | Courtney is the founder of inkscapeforum.org FYI | Dec 02 12:51 |
| bryce | right | Dec 02 12:51 |
| su_v | inkscapeforum.com | Dec 02 12:51 |
| su_v | (not .org) | Dec 02 12:51 |
| abrock_ | here's a backlog starting at the board meeting: http://paste.debian.net/900240/ (expires tomorrow) | Dec 02 12:52 |
| prkos | yes .com sorry mixing it up with main web | Dec 02 12:52 |
| tedg | Do we know approximately how big the data file is? | Dec 02 12:52 |
| bryce | I did a quick look at worst case if we had to go with a professional hosting service and do all our own services and so on, what the cost would look like. | Dec 02 12:52 |
| prkos | unzipped less than 500 MB database | Dec 02 12:52 |
| prkos | ~300 MB maybe | Dec 02 12:52 |
| prkos | IIRC | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | I only looked at gandi (our DNS provider); they seem not too bad but obviously are not the only game in town | Dec 02 12:53 |
| tedg | Ah, cool, that shouldn't be bad. | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | * Desired system resources are dialable at will, with cost | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | proportionate to the amount of service desired. | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | - Baseline $12.01/month: 1 CPU core, 256MB ram, 3 GB disk | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | - Beefy $96.94/month: 4 CPU core, 4GB ram, 500 GB disk | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | - So, could scale uparound release time or for marketing efforts, | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | and scale back down for interim periods. | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | - Can also automate resourceadd/remove, e.g. based on load | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | measurements. | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | * Web accelerator (HTTPS cache) +$6/mo | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | * Bandwidth 0-2TB free, approx $0.13/GB over that. | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | * OS options include Debian 7/8, FreeBSD, Ubuntu 14.04/16.04 | Dec 02 12:53 |
| bryce | so the value of hosting service to us probably runs in the ballpark of $50-100 monthly | Dec 02 12:54 |
| tedg | Yeah, I imagine we'll end up somewhere around $20/mo | Dec 02 12:54 |
| tedg | Oh you think more than baseline? | Dec 02 12:55 |
| prkos | shouldn't a vanilla Hostgator account be enough | Dec 02 12:55 |
| bryce | I don't know what our monthly bandwidth requirements are, so am bumping upward to be conservative | Dec 02 12:55 |
| bryce | if we know we use <2TB then $20 might be a better estimate | Dec 02 12:55 |
| doctormon | thanks abrock_ | Dec 02 12:56 |
| prkos | we don't seem to have a lot of users on at the same time, so I'm extrapolating that bandwidth won't be a problem | Dec 02 12:56 |
| prkos | but I do like the conservative approach | Dec 02 12:56 |
| jabiertxof | OVH has great prices you can have full server from some child company kimsufi very low price | Dec 02 12:57 |
| jabiertxof | OVH Master Kimsufy is part | Dec 02 12:58 |
| bryce | Interesting. we already donate $250/yr to OSUOSL so if DIY hosting was an option we wanted to pursue and it ran $20/month then it would not actually impose a cost delta to the project. | Dec 02 12:59 |
| bryce | anyway, by far most of the pain of DIY hosting would be the person-power to set up and administrate the services | Dec 02 12:59 |
| Mc | is it possible to co-rent with other open source projects ? (gimp?) | Dec 02 13:00 |
| Mc | would allow for lower costs and maintenance | Dec 02 13:00 |
| bryce | Mc, certainly like I mentioned there's tons of existing shared services targeted to FOSS projects | Dec 02 13:00 |
| bryce | OSUOSL being one such, but there's many more | Dec 02 13:01 |
| bryce | typically you don't get root access so are gated by them for gaining new services, and service requests may be slowish | Dec 02 13:01 |
| doctormon2 | one of the nice bonuses we managed to get for inkscape.org | Dec 02 13:02 |
| prkos | bryce: do you have the server info ready and all set up or is there any config to be done there besides phpBB | Dec 02 13:02 |
| doctormon2 | I'm expecting most of them to move to container based systems in the future, so ssh access at all might go away. | Dec 02 13:03 |
| prkos | :-( | Dec 02 13:03 |
| bryce | prkos, the last that I heard was on the vague side, like doctormo says something relating to containers | Dec 02 13:04 |
| bryce | (which is part of what stimulated the thinking towards fallback options) | Dec 02 13:04 |
| bryce | alright, we're at the hour, let me sneak in one last topic | Dec 02 13:05 |
| prkos | tedg: what's your experience with this, in case we need some server support | Dec 02 13:06 |
| bryce | I can stick around post-meeting to discuss release stuff | Dec 02 13:06 |
| bryce | ============== LGM 2017 ================= | Dec 02 13:06 |
| tweenk | Regarding hosting, there's also the cloud services | Dec 02 13:06 |
| tedg | Well containers would be fine, we just need to know what the landscape is like. | Dec 02 13:06 |
| bryce | tedg brought up that LGM scheduling is under way, and we should start talking of our own attendance plans | Dec 02 13:07 |
| doctormon2 | tweenk! 😀 | Dec 02 13:07 |
| bryce | sounds like its in Brazil this year | Dec 02 13:07 |
| tedg | tweenk: Yeah, if we're gonna pay, it seems like a cloud provider might make sense. | Dec 02 13:07 |
| tedg | Yeah, and we have a rather large community in Brazil. | Dec 02 13:07 |
| tedg | I'm on the mailing list, though I can't read any of it. :-) | Dec 02 13:07 |
| tedg | It flares up every once in a while. | Dec 02 13:07 |
| tweenk | n1-standard-1 on GCE costs around $25/month and has 3.75GB of RAM, has full root access | Dec 02 13:07 |
| tweenk | storage is billed per GB and can grow to arbitrary size - that's another plus | Dec 02 13:08 |
| bryce | do we have contacts within the Brazilian Inkscape community that we could tap to handle organization/logistics/etc.? | Dec 02 13:08 |
| tedg | I don't personally, but I could write an e-mail and see what happens :-) | Dec 02 13:09 |
| tweenk | for downloads there's Google CDN, looks like the traffic cost from downloads would actually be most expensive | Dec 02 13:09 |
| doctormon2 | the issue with bz was lack of people there. last word I heard was in the negative for our attendance. | Dec 02 13:09 |
| tedg | It seems that for community stuff we might want to push towards LGM and do a dinner? | Dec 02 13:09 |
| tweenk | doctormon2, how much traffic do we generate from downloads? | Dec 02 13:09 |
| bryce | (fwiw the gandi numbers I posted above were VPS services, and also scalable up far past what I listed there) | Dec 02 13:09 |
| Mc | About LGM, want it question to replace it with a hackfest at boston ? | Dec 02 13:10 |
| Tavmjong | We need to decide early as airfares will go up. Right now it's about $700 from Paris. | Dec 02 13:10 |
| Tavmjong | (and 12 hours) | Dec 02 13:10 |
| tedg | Well, I think the hackfest is an interesting question. Probably more expensive flights, but cheaper location. | Dec 02 13:10 |
| tedg | But if people are going to be there anyway. | Dec 02 13:10 |
| Tavmjong | We need a local host. | Dec 02 13:10 |
| doctormon2 | tweenk: TB per month, cached by fastly. it would cost us thousands a month if we were paying. | Dec 02 13:11 |
| tedg | Tavmjong: I think that's a good point, not sure we want someone random for that. | Dec 02 13:11 |
| doctormon2 | the UK trip worked BC of local hosting. | Dec 02 13:12 |
| bryce | the last LGM I attended was interesting but didn't seem particularly useful for helping further Inkscape, compared to what we'd get from a hackfest | Dec 02 13:14 |
| doctormon2 | what's the date of lgm 2017? | Dec 02 13:14 |
| tweenk | doctormon2: but how many TB per month? 1? | Dec 02 13:14 |
| bryce | I would be open to the idea of sponsoring local Brazilians to attend on Inkscape's behalf though. | Dec 02 13:14 |
| tedg | Was looking for a confirmation, this is the best e-mail I found: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libre-graphics-meeting/2016-September/001479.html | Dec 02 13:14 |
| tedg | End of April, in Rio | Dec 02 13:14 |
| doctormon2 | tweenk: on phone, doing childcare run, please email and I'll get you the fastly report. | Dec 02 13:15 |
| Tavmjong | Dates are April 20-23. | Dec 02 13:15 |
| Tavmjong | Note, Americans need a visa to Brazil. I believe it is $100. | Dec 02 13:15 |
| bryce | like if we budgeted $1-2k for LGM sponsorees and then saved the rest to splurge on a development-focused hackfest | Dec 02 13:16 |
| tedg | LGM is the weekend, we could do a hackfest Mon-Wed | Dec 02 13:16 |
| tedg | So I'm good either way, but I figured we should talk about it :-) | Dec 02 13:17 |
| tedg | Not having a good local contact makes me a bit nervous for doing a hackfest in Brazil. | Dec 02 13:17 |
| Tavmjong | Make that $160 for the visa. | Dec 02 13:17 |
| bryce | agreed | Dec 02 13:17 |
| Tavmjong | http://novayork.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/visa_fees.xml | Dec 02 13:17 |
| tedg | Perhaps we should make sure someone from the board and have a user dinner or something like that. | Dec 02 13:18 |
| bryce | btw I'm still willing to host a hackfest in portland, just looks like we need 2+ months lead for scheduling. | Dec 02 13:18 |
| tedg | I'd like to encourage the community there, but I'm not sure it makes sense to have a bunch of devs. | Dec 02 13:18 |
| doctormon2 | I've not heard anything that convinces me we should do anything in bz. We'd need to know bz people to sponsor, translators perhaps. | Dec 02 13:18 |
| bryce | tedg, that sounds sensible | Dec 02 13:18 |
| bryce | but right, the big question here, is do we have adequate folks in bz | Dec 02 13:19 |
| ScislaC | Felipe Sanches is in Brazil, I believe in Sao Paulo... but I know he travels all over Brazil for open source stuff and might know a Rio local... | Dec 02 13:19 |
| bryce | tedg, perhaps you could beat the bush and see what interest there is? | Dec 02 13:19 |
| tedg | Okay, I'll find the Brazilian user's list and see what comes of it, suggesting something like that. | Dec 02 13:19 |
| doctormon2 | good idea | Dec 02 13:19 |
| bryce | tedg, and I think sending any active developer would be fine, not just limit to the board. E.g. jabiertxof would probably be an awesome rep | Dec 02 13:20 |
| tedg | bryce: Sure, makes sense. | Dec 02 13:21 |
| tedg | Didn't have another easy to use noun :-) | Dec 02 13:21 |
| bryce | ok, any thing else? we got action items... I'll post the log in a while. | Dec 02 13:21 |
| bryce | ============ Other Business ============= | Dec 02 13:21 |
| prkos | meshes | Dec 02 13:22 |
| doctormon2 | none here. I think Bryce covered the release. | Dec 02 13:23 |
| bryce | prkos, we can have a release meeting next, after the board meeting is closed, and that'll be #1 on that agenda | Dec 02 13:23 |
| bryce | ok thanks all | Dec 02 13:23 |
| bryce | ================= EOM ================ | Dec 02 13:23 |
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