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Help Using Inkscape => Inkscape Beginners' Questions => Topic started by: cc on January 31, 2019, 08:51:16 PM
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Hello! While working in Inkscape over the last few days I have experienced several crashes... One using the "TWEAK" Tool on 'Duplicate Objects' with SHIFT key, One while working in the "NODE" Tool, & One (just now) while working with the "TEXT" tool while moving NODES. Inkscape keeps crashing & I get the following ⛔️message:
"Inkscape encountered an internal error and will close now.
Automatic backups of unsaved documents were done to the following locations:
/Users/macbookpro/Desktop/Jr.svg.2019_01_29_16_23_48.0.svg
/Users/macbookpro/New document 1.2019_01_29_16_23_48.1.svg
Sometimes it's saved Automatic backups but sometimes Inkscape has not saved any... (Even though under Preferences (Shift+Ctrl+P) > Input/Output > Autosave --The box for 'Enable autosave (requires restart)' is checked & had been, I believe by default.
I am using Inkscape V: 0.92.2 on (as you can see) MacBook Pro, OS High Sierra 10.13.6, (Retina)
And sometimes when attempting to close the ⛔️message window, it would not do anything, necessitating a force close of Inkscape.
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Help! What am I doing wrong? What can I do to not crash Inkscape!! Thank you!
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I don't have an idea about the crashes. But in preferences under input/output autosave, it might be worth enabling it while your having these crashes. The default settings are to save every 10 minutes 10 deep.
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How large of a file is this which is crashing? Has 0.92.2 been working well otherwise, or do you have these crashes in a lot of different files?
If the file is in the MBs in size, as opposed to KBs, the crashes are probably related to your file size challenging the amount of RAM on your system. This article/tutorial gives some tips for avoiding performance issues, or continuing to work in a file which already has performance issues.
https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=35
If the file is not really very large, we'll have to investigate further, and would need to see the SVG file.
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@phiscribe TY, however my 3rd paragraph, beneath the Error Message, states 'Enable autosave' IS checked & had been. It's WHY I mentioned SOMETIMES Inkscape saved, sometimes it didn't. For now my issue ISN'T work loss, learned LONG ago, SAVE & OFTEN, my concern is w/ the often occurring Crashes.
Hi @brynn, TY for responding! REALLY, w/ Graphic files? Mine are usually in the MBs, for what I do, (designing 2d footwear, handbags, packaging, logos, branding, etc., etc.) Not HUGE MBs, don't often have animated gifs, but sometimes...
I know from AI & PS to: have few Embedded Images or none, keep Nodes minimal (smoother anyway). I sometimes use filters, gradients, but again I'm mindful of these (regardless software). I use extensions: svg, png & jpeg. I'm accustomed to layers, use often, & delete unnecessary ones. I often work w/ View > Display Mode > Outline/Normal. :ot1: Btw, Crtl+5 doesn't work w/ the 5 above R & T, IS there a Toggle for Laptops SANS Number Keypads? Or a way to make one, I've tried but couldn't get it to work. :-S
Idk what 'unused defs' are?
And these crashed files are: 879 KB, 650 KB, 647 KB, 125 KB,? Just files I use to test different tool effects on, not my MAIN work files. Though I often have 2 files open together. I have 8GB of RAM, not tons, but according to the link --plenty, no?
I will keep reviewing the page link to see if this has other ideas to help & perhaps close out some other programs I have opened. Thanks again!
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Hhmm, possibly I should edit that little article. A couple of new versions ago, developers changed the name of File menu > Vacuum Defs, to File menu > Clean Up Document.
The only thing I know for sure are defs are gradients. I know a lot of other things are defs, but I don't remember what they are. Maybe markers are defs too, and I think patterns.....ummm, filters, I'm not sure if they are defs. But if you've been doing a lot of editing, especially trial and error, and you've tried for example 10 or 15 different gradients or patterns or other whatever other defs, and even if you've deleted most them from the canvas, they still might be remaining in the XML. So Clean Up Document removes all the defs that are not being used in the file.
We sometimes hear from people with a problem like you describe....and even worse, sometimes they've lost most of the file contents in the crash. We'll instruct them to use Clean Up Doc, and it removes numbers as high as 500 or 800 defs!
But it doesn't sound like you're in the same boat. It sounds like you're on the right page, with good working practices. The files aren't all that large, you have a good amount of RAM. 2 files open at once should not cause a problem. Over 10 files might, I guess.
If you'd like us to have a look at some of the troublesome files, we'd be glad too. We might be able to identify some triggers that are less well known. I'm wondering if you might have some pref enabled which is affecting all your files, and maybe it's in the background and you forgot it was there.
Oh, well there's one recent....well, I still think of it as new, but it's been around for a year or 2, I guess. Objects menu > Objects, which is the Objects dialog. Keeping that open all the time puts a big strain on even files as small as yours. I guess I need to update that little article.... :uhoh: Anyway, we usually recommend to open it only when you need it, and then keep it closed otherwise. (I think developers are planning a fix for that. Not sure if it's being worked on yet, but I think I heard something about it.)
Another thing that I finally picked up on for myself. I find if I'm working at a fast pace, sometimes Inkscape just can't handle it. Sometimes I have to remember to just slow down and let Inkscape take a breath. Especially extensions, at least for me, seem to need a little more "space". (Not the export extensions, but the ones that create/render, or edit paths.) And filters definitely need a slower pace.
Anyway, we'd be glad to examine some troublesome files, if you like.
Re the 5 key, mine seems to work ok (I'm on Windows). You've made the necessary changes for Macs, right? Re the Alt key, and I think Ctrl is affected too. Info here: https://inkscape.org/learn/faq/#mac-os-x-specific-issues
You can change a lot of the key shortcuts, and customize them for yourself. Is that what you meant, when you said you tried and it didn't work? See Inkscape Preferences > Interface > Keyboard Shortcuts. It's not entirely obvious how to use that page. Have you been able to change other keys successfully?
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Hmm, I'm not familiar w/ defs nor 'Clean up Document' (I see it, just didn't comprehend its use) but will start to use it. Ah, well I'm quite versed in AI & PS so I learned my lessons about files crashing & losing content & try NOT to lose content, when possible.
Thank you so much but unfortunately, I don't even keep these files, as I use them for training with effects so if it crashes I open a new one (& trash the old, IF saved) figuring perhaps the file's corrupt?! But I will keep that in mind for the Future to share the issues here, ty.
Per Objects > Objects... honestly Idk enough about that feature to ever use it, so that panel's never been open for me. Tell me are the panels last opened when Quitting out of Inkscape the ones that will OPEN next time you open Inkscape App or a new page/file?
Ah, yes, sorry for my misunderstanding of the term "Extensions" (I'm not very technically advanced)... but true, about Filters/Gradients/Tweak, etc. needing time to generate, I will be more mindful of that, thank you (& for clarifying)!
Per the 5 key, it would work on a REGULAR keyboard for Mac too (or so I believe,) w/ a R. side number keypad, or if a laptop had a Numbers Keypad (e.g. Calculator style) but w/ the numbers horizontally across the top, above R&T, Ctrl+5 doesn't work. (Nor Alt+5, Shift+5, Command+5, FN+5, or Ctrl+Alt+5, I've tried a bunch of combinations to no avail.) "Emulate three button mouse" is off/not selected, I haven't an issue using ALT anywhere else but w/ the Numbers up top, I assume since it's not a KEYPAD (Calculator style) it's not coded in that way. Likewise "Option keys send Alt_L and Alt_R" is selected, btw I believe these WERE by default.
Though per Inkscape Preferences > Interface > Keyboard Shortcuts, I SEE: Toggle Ctrl+5 Toggle between normal & outline display modes, & I see "Adobe Illustrator (adobe -illustrator-cs2.xml)" & hit Reset, which switched from +5 to +Y, it WORKED, THANK YOU. Is there a way to make that my Default Preference, instead of doing these steps each time Inkscape is Reopened? 🤞
YES, re: Window Alt = Mac Option (NOW Apple even prints ALT on the Option keys) & X11 uses 'Control' instead of 'Command' (YEA! Hadn't known I can switch that to Command!! The CTRL is so far & Hard on the L THUMB & Hand! But I DID the switch w/ Xmodmap! :hd: OMG, THANK YOU, so much, it's HEAVENLY using Command Key again!! YES, customizing Keyboard Shortcuts is what I meant. I followed a tutorial showing how to create personal Keyboard Shortcuts, but it didn't seem to take, not with the keys I tried to use. No, that's the only one I tried to change, only because it wouldn't work with my keyboard.
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Tell me are the panels last opened when Quitting out of Inkscape the ones that will OPEN next time you open Inkscape App or a new page/file?
They can be, if you set your preferences that way. See Inkscape Preferences > Interface > Windows > Dialog Status (You might like to set Window Geometry as well?)
Though per Inkscape Preferences > Interface > Keyboard Shortcuts, I SEE: Toggle Ctrl+5 Toggle between normal & outline display modes, & I see "Adobe Illustrator (adobe -illustrator-cs2.xml)" & hit Reset, which switched from +5 to +Y, it WORKED, THANK YOU. Is there a way to make that my Default Preference, instead of doing these steps each time Inkscape is Reopened? 🤞
Hhmm, you're welcome, but I thought they were permanent. Actually, I'm not a big key shortcut user, and I had never noticed the dropdown menu at the top with Shortcut Files. I guess that makes the shortcuts act like those in the other programs in the menu?
I would think those would be permanent, until you change them again. I don't know. Maybe someone else knows that answer?
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The Window Geometry is already set to: "Save & Restore Window Geometry for Each Document", "Save & Restore dialog Status" IS selected, so that means these windows WILL always popup upon opening Inkscape, correct?
Hmmm, not sure now... the first FEW times I fully closed & reopened Inkscape, I had to REDO the Keyboard Shortcuts each time. I closed out for a bit but now as I came back to test it again & it HAS been saving it with the Adobe preferences & opening with those as default? Maybe it IS permanent?! Fingers crossed! :xf1:
As for me, SHORTCUTS were always a (lifesaver or at least a) Time Saver in AI & PS. Learning them here helps too, though changing to the "Adobe" shortcuts, seems to have changed all the TOOLS (e.g. Selector, Nodes, Tweak, Square/Ellipse, Bezier, etc.) to DIFFERENT Keyboard Shortcuts, oddly most are NOT the Adobe Shortcuts?! Although SOME stayed the same, some totally LOST a keyboard shortcut?! Is it possible change individual Shortcuts? Or will that confuse the program?
I'm grateful for your help w/ a shortcut for the 'Display Mode Toggle' & an ez Step by Step way to switch 'Control' to 'Command' w/ Xmodmap!! Very helpful! 0:)
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so that means these windows WILL always popup upon opening Inkscape, correct?
I don't use that feature. But that's my understanding as to how it works.
If the key shortcuts (or other pref) requires a restart to take effect, then all the instances of Inkscape need to be closed. So if you left a file open by mistake, it might not have taken effect yet. But hopefully now it has.
If I were a professional artist I probably would heavily use the key shortcuts too. But just as a hobby, I use Inkscape to exercise my creativity, more than to produce results. And remembering all the shortcuts is more of a chore for me. I do use quite a few, but if something has a button, I usually use the button.
I don't know about the missing shortcuts or wrong keys for the Illustrator set. I wonder if the manual has anything about this.... Hhmm, it looks like the manual hasn't been updated for this. Those key shortcut controls in Inkscape Prefs was just added one or 2 new versions ago, and the manual hasn't been updated yet.
Hhmm, I wonder if you're supposed to either have, or download the adobe-illustrator-cs2.xml file? Or does Inkscape already have it ready for us? I don't really know.
Ohh, well for me, with the Inkscape default set, a lot of the shortcuts are missing. For example, in the Extensions category, only about 5 or 10% of them have shortcuts showing. Other categories, like Edit or Selection seem to be missing 5 to 10%.
But yes, you can definitely change individual ones. That's what I meant when I said it isn't obvious, but it sounded like you had figured it out. Maybe not?
1 - click on the line or row for the shortcut you want to change, so that it's highlighted
2 - click on the shortcut's text in the Shortcut column
3 - the shortcut's text will change to "New accelerator" (which is what makes it less than obvious - "accelerator"? really??)
4 - type the new shortcut that you want (I'm not sure if you're supposed to type the plus sign "+", or if you should press the keys just like you would actually use them, which in actual use, you don't type the +)
5 - I don't remember if you need to press enter after typing the shortcut. Enter might end up closing Inkscape Preferences dialog. But it should be easy enough to figure it out.
Sorry I misunderstood before.
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Gotcha, perhaps I HAD left something open, unaware I had? IDK? So long as it's working :xf1: w/out my going in to change every time I use Inkscape!!
You do get used to the same shortcuts --repeatedly used. :b1:
Oh Brilliant, NO, I wasn't clear on what exactly to do, I had found the adobe-illustrator-cs2.xml & merely selected that file, but that was all. Btw cs2? Meaning Creative Suite 2, wow, that's a while ago... regardless if it works!! And just selecting that file DID provide some of the Adobe shortcuts but lots were missing, & I didn't realize HOW to change or ADD the remaining, TY for that! So far I just put in the ones for TOOLS. As I go along, see a need I may add more but these were the most important ones for me. Now I'm setup with Custom Keyboard Shortcuts, including the Display Mode toggle AND I have a working COMMAND (vs Control) key set up as well!! Makes having those crashes worth it for ALL your help!
While I think of it, is there a way to NOT view these messages, such as: "Handle to Cusp Node", "Handel to Corner", "Handle to Guide", "Guide Origin to Guide Origin" etc.? Can those be turned off? I tried playing w/ SNAP in "Doc Properties" (Ctrl+Alt+P) & in "View > Show/Hide > Snap Control Bar", but found nothing helped. See pix attached...
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Yes, that is indeed the snap indication that you're seeing. There are a couple of ways to deal with that.
If you don't need snapping for the moment, you can disable it. The very top button of the snap control bar (along the right side of the window), globally enable/disables snapping. So if you disable snapping, you won't see the indicator, because nothing will try to snap.
If you still need snapping, you can leave it enabled, and just disable the indicator. Note that you won't know whether the right object snapped to the right target, without the indicator. But with some experience, I've found I can usually do without the indicator. If you notice on the canvas, when you drag something, a dot shows up on one snap target on the object you're dragging. That tells you which target is about to snap to something else. And if you watch when you're about to stop dragging something, that dot flashes again when the snap happens. But it does take some experience to feel comfortable with that.
To disable the indicator, Inkscape Prefs > Behavior > Snapping > Enable snap indicator. Uncheck that box.
Snapping is a complex feature, much more than most people realize initially. It really took me a couple of years asking questions and learning about all the controls, before I felt like I really could control snapping more than snapping controlled me!
Anyway, in my experience, it's best to have only the snap options enabled which you need for each movement. If you have every snap options enabled in the control bar, then everything wants to try to snap to everything else. To me, it's pure chaos! So if you need to snap, for example, bounding box corners, for the next move that you're planning, then enable that option, and disable everything else.
Yes, I'm accessing the snap control bar for almost every move, when I'm working on a complex project. There is a general setup for the snap control bar that I use, which gets me by for most things that I need, while providing support or small projects. But once the canvas becomes heavy with contents, I'm changing that control bar with almost every step I take.
And you'll learn what your own personal prefences are, as you get more and more experience. For myself, I almost never use the bounding box snapping options. I tend to be extremely path/node oriented as I work. Often I'd rather edit paths than use booleans or other more advanced features. But that's just me. And what I snap most is nodes to nodes. With that, I watch for that dot, and I can easily know what's happening, without the indicator flashing all the time.
I think for new users, the bounding box snapping might be easier to use and understand. But with experience, your preferences will grow and change over time, too. And eventually you'll find your favorite setups.
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Yes, I recognized those messages to be the SNAP effect & I wish to keep it enabled since I use, appreciate the Snap effect, I find it very helpful.
I just need not see its message via ...every ...move ...I ...make! (Realizing some may prefer that indication.) --Oh I missed the: Inkscape Prefs > Behavior > Snapping > Enable snap indicator... Got it, Thank you!
Also when moving objects if you slow down, you can almost FEEL it constrain as it Snaps to another object, so I'm fine without viewing the indicator message.
I now haven't ANY Snap options selected in the Preferences, (again TY for showing where that was tucked away). In Doc Properties, for 'objects, grids & guides', I use 'Snap only when closer than: I like more control so I went for 10 (guessing those are POINTS, there's no indication of WHAT the distance measurements are?) & under View > Show/Hide I leave the Snap Control Bar showing... w/ 'Snap: Nodes, Paths & Handles', 'Snap: Cusp Nodes...' & 'Snap: other Points', selected for now, (those may even be default,) but I can play with as needed. I've turned off Visual Bounding Box immediately into Inkscape, never used or had an appreciation for it in AI, & hadn't a use for it in Inkscape either. Agreed, it is a bit chaotic with all items attempting to Snap to everything! Like a magnet!
Thank you so very much for ALL your help... your wealth of Inkscape knowledge has saved me a lot of time & is enlightening to say the least.
:) :clap1: :ur: :ty1: :rose:
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Hi Brynn, Sorry, I don't mean to keep you this busy.
I am doing something incorrectly, --maybe I need to just shut down my computer.... I have been messing around with Doc Properties > PAGE, attempting to change 'Display Units' & Custom Size 'Units' which are currently set to Inches for both. I keep changing one or both units to POINTS, close Doc Properties, close fully out of both Inkscape & X11, then relaunch, open up Doc Properties & these units of measure are both set back to Inches again? Is that not meant to be a permanent change?
Pls know my end goal is to be able to set STROKE (within FILL & STROKE) to POINTS instead of Inches, as my custom default. Currently each time I open Fill & Stroke, the Stroke default is: 'Width' 0.010 IN. But what I'd like is for the Stroke default to be set at: 'Width' 1.00 PT. Is this possible without changing ALL units of measure to Points? Or IF one unit of measure is changed, then all units of measure are meant to change? Thanks again.
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Oh, don't worry. I like helping! I like seeing users grow and learn more!
If it's only the stroke units that you want to change, you can change those right next to where you change the stroke width. (If it was a snake, it would have bitten you!) And it only changes the units right there in that dialog. But it doesn't change them anywhere else.
For example, if you use the Style Indicator section of the status bar, which is the bottom-left corner of the window, where it shows the fill and stroke and a lot of other stuff, for whatever is selected. The tiny number at the right end of the Stroke color is the stroke width. But I just tested, and if I change the units of the stroke in the Fill and Stroke dialog, the units in the the bottom-left corner are still showing the document units (inches for you).
Oh, interesting. Right-click on that tiny number on the right end of the stroke color, and in that menu which comes up, you can change the units there too. So that will solve that little problem!
I'm not sure why changing the units in Document Properties doesn't stay changed. Is it possible you've created a custom default document at some time in the past? If you have it defined in the default document, it will keep reverting when you open a new document. It would stay changed in whatever document you were using when you changed it. But as soon as you open a new doc, it will change back.
If you do have a custom default document, you'll need to edit that document, to keep the new stroke units.
Now that you mention PT units, what is that? I thought you meant pixels, but I just noticed that "pt" is in all the unit menus. But I'm not sure what it is. When people talk about points or dots, I always assume they mean pixels. But I guess not. What kind of unit is pt?
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Document properties are per document. If you need a different default document, learn about creating your own custom template:
https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-create-custom-document-templates
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Well, thank you Brynn, I appreciate your help!!
Sorry, I wasn't clear... I know how to change the Stroke units from within the "Fill & Stroke" dialog box, AND even by (Right Clicking or) '2 Finger Click & Hold' on a Mac, in the bottom left corner. What I'm looking for is WHERE may I CHANGE Stroke Units for a Default setting, --so every time I launch Inkscape or open a new page I don't need to reset Stroke from Inches to Points within the "Fill & Stoke" dialog box. Hopefully, that makes more sense.
PT = POINTS, they're a PRINT unit of Measurement vs PX = Pixels, a SCREEN unit of Measure, but no, PT & PX are not the same units of measurement.
Yes, (thank you also Moini,) I actually HAD (earlier on) created my own custom "default.svg" template. I did research to learn how to do this myself & found this incredibly helpful, old but still quite viable video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9gN8ld1psc
Per my file, I was able to find it by going here: Applications > Content > Resources > Share > Inkscape > Templates > default.svg > Which I then OPENED as an Inkscape file, made changes to fit my custom Default settings requirements, including opening the "Fill & Stoke" dialog box, drawing a spiral, setting STROKE to: "Width: 1.00 PT", then deleted my spiral (so I have a fresh, new BLANK canvas each time) took notice that the Stroke box grayed out but still showed "Width: 1.00 PT", SAVED the file (to the same place) quit out of Inkscape/X11, relaunched & MOST ALL changes remained to my custom setting specs, but NOT Stroke unit of measure, nor my scaled screen size of 71%? Each & every time I've attempted this the Stroke setting automatically reverts back to the Original: "Width: 0.010 IN", & screen size initially opens at 71% but by the time it fills my screen it also automatically reverts back to the Original size of "165%", a tad too large for my screen. Regardless of how many times I've done this.
Which is why I thought to ask my question in here because I had created a personal default.svg but this does not keep ALL of my setting specs as I would like. Any thoughts Moini?
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Hhmm..... That tutorial has you save the default doc in....not exactly the wrong place, but not the best place. Have you upgraded Inkscape since you created your first default doc? If so, you might not be opening that custom doc anymore. And even though you may have re-saved it, just now, it still might be saving in the old Inkscape version.
Inkscape Preferences > System > User config, shows you the best place to save your default doc. When you get to that directory, save the default doc (default.svg) in the templates folder. When you put it here, you don't have to remember to move it into the new version, every time you upgrade.
If that doesn't fix the problem, the only other way I can think to put the stroke units in a default doc would be to change all your tool styles' stroke widths. Then as you're drawing, the widths are automatically drawn at the width you want (and with the units you want). Here's a lilttle tutorial for changing the tool styles, in case you don't already know how.
https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=15
Or else maybe Moini knows another way?
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This video tutorial is done w/in windows PC, I'm on a Mac, so I actually had to search around to find my default.svg file. Obviously, files wouldn't be in the same place on a PC as they are on a Mac.
This youtube'r says to just "Save" the file, I actually do a "SAVE AS" placing it back exactly to where I found it on my computer, which was: Applications > Content > Resources > Share > Inkscape > Templates > default.svg.
Yes, I have upgraded from 0.91 to 0.92.2, however, I created a new default.svg for 0.92.2 as well, (as I've become more acquainted with Inkscape's controls, etc. I redo this to include new customized settings to my default.svg file)
Per your line here, as where to place this file: Inkscape Preferences > System > User config,
Pls see my attachment, Top to Bottom, Back to Front:
• 1st window IN Inkscape, shows: Inkscape Preferences > System > User config: /Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape
• 2nd window IN Mac Finder/Templates, shows the above Route verbatim: Users > cc.macbookpro > .config > inkscape > templates (with NOTHING in templates?)
• 3rd window IN Mac Finder/Templates, shows where I found it: Applications > Contents > Resources > Share > Inkscape > Templates > default.svg > (with all default.svg files including those in other languages)
• 4th window (lower left) IN Mac Terminal, shows: the ONLY way to see the "Config" folder
You may know, on a Mac when a folder or file has a . in front of it (*GRAYED out, as you can see), like the "Config" folder, it's a "HIDDEN" folder, (*Apple hides folders/files so users won't accidentally trash or mess up important files,) most Mac users won't find that folder or its contents without using TERMINAL to SHOW all hidden files.
Thank you for the page on Customize Your Inkscape Tools' Styles. I went through one by one, Rectangle, Ellipse, Star, Spiral, Pencil, Bezier, etc., set up the specs for my needs, double-clicking for each preference, those I use most often were already set up with: "This Tool's Own Style", however, I hadn't known that clicking the bar w/ "Take From Selection" did anything. I'd clicked it in the past expecting a pop-up but nothing. So I specifically clicked this bar thinking this would LOCK-IN my preferences into the default file. But it did not, after a file Save As, quitting Inkscape/X11 & a relaunch, stroke reverted again back to Inches... Sigh.
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Yes true, I'm not a Mac user, so I'm not sure about the hidden files. I know Windows has hidden files too, and we specifically have to instruct users how to unhide, so they can put the files in the right place. But I can't speak to Mac users about that.
It's common that the templates folder in the user directory might be empty. Sometimes users don't even find a templates folder, and have to make one! Inkscape doesn't put templates files there, so it's not a surprise that there's not already any files there. As far as I know, everyone puts the first files in there themselves (as opposed to Inkscape doing it).
When you set the custom tool styles, you don't necessarily have to do that in the default template file. As far as I understand, setting the tool styles edits the preferences.xml file which would affect all document templates.
And when you clicked Take from Selection, something was actually selected, right? And what was selected had the stroke set to the right units, right? I'm just double-checking. I know you've been banging your head about this.
When you say the stroke reverted back to inches, where were you looking? It wouldn't show up in the Fill and Stroke dialog unless something is selected which you just created, with one of the tools which you just made a custom style for. But if nothing is selected, it probably shows the document units, which is inches.
Well, if you're still striking out, maybe Moini will have an idea.
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Please use the directory indicated by Inkscape for saving user files (anything custom, except for markers and filters).
The other path that you used, with 'share' in its path, is part of the Inkscape program, and will be lost on an update, for example - it's also really bad practice to use that, because you're modifying actual program files, which you should never do, unless you know what you're doing and are able to deal with any consequences.
Can someone please summarize the other issue for me, if it's still unresolved?
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We're even Brynn, I know less than little about Windows... I see, it is common for that template folder to be empty, got it! Well, I saved my latest default.svg in Inkscape Preferences > System > User config: /Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape. Regardless, upon launching Inkscape, afterwards, while in the Fill and Stroke dialog box the Stroke size reverted back to INCHES, (though the size is different, albeit not the size I specked?!)
Ah, so my setting the tools prefs, won't change a thing in the default.svg, makes sense that it DIDN'T keep Stroke Unit settings then.
When I clicked 'Take from Selection', yes I had made the unit selections. But here I get confused ... within the Preferences above 'Take from Selection' I see 'Fill' above 'Stroke', to the right of 'Stroke' I see some numbers but no idea what those numbers coordinate to? E.G. Rectangle, Ellipse, Spiral, Pencil, Bezier, etc. are 1.33 (1.33 --what --inches, --pixels, maybe this isn't even relating to measurements, idk?); however Star is 0.96? I input 1.00 Point which converts to 0.014 Inches... so I am lost on what these numbers reference.
Well, if what you're asking here: "And what was selected had the stroke set to the right units, right?" --In the Fill and Stroke dialog box, YES, these all were set to the correct units. IF they are to be input somewhere in Preferences, I have no idea where.
Yes, when I say the stroke reverted back to inches, I did mean in the Fill and Stroke dialog. I HAD created a new box & what I thought I set as my custom default stroke of 1.00 Point reverted back to the original Inches setting for Stroke.
Moini, as I mentioned I now have placed my default.svg file in the /Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape/template folder. Just fyi MOST Mac Users will NEVER, EVER find the .config/inkscape/template folder for the simple reason that Apple keeps this folder hidden. & Apple doesn't easily share how to find hidden files/folders with us mere users, it defeats their purpose of hiding them. A bit a catch 22... the Template folder Inkscape creators want users to save custom files to, Apple HIDES. Where Apples allows us to SEE Templates, Inkscape creators would rather be hidden --so we can't destroy anything.
I thank you all for the help & the education experience I'm getting here as well, but yes, setting my custom/default units of measure for STROKE in the Fill & Stroke dialog box is still unresolved.
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When I clicked 'Take from Selection', yes I had made the unit selections. But here I get confused ... within the Preferences above 'Take from Selection' I see 'Fill' above 'Stroke', to the right of 'Stroke' I see some numbers but no idea what those numbers coordinate to? E.G. Rectangle, Ellipse, Spiral, Pencil, Bezier, etc. are 1.33 (1.33 --what --inches, --pixels, maybe this isn't even relating to measurements, idk?); however Star is 0.96? I input 1.00 Point which converts to 0.014 Inches... so I am lost on what these numbers reference.
The number to the right of the stroke color bar, just like in the Style Indicator section of the status bar that I mentioned before, is the value of the stroke width. In the Style Indicator area, you can right-click on that number and change the units. You can't do that in Inkscape Preferences.
Yes, I see what you mean. For me, Inkscape Preferences shows the value in px. It probably shows whatever units are set for the document (inches for you). I think that must be a bug that the unit doesn't change, there in the Preferences dialog.
However, after I changed the units for the stroke, for my Star tool, the next time I draw a star, the Fill and Stroke dialog shows the stroke in the new units.
I'm starting to wonder if we're seeing a new bug for Macs? (a different bug than I just mentioned) When I select any object, and change the stroke units, even after I deselect the object, the Fill and Stroke dialog still shows the new units. If I select a different object, the Fill and Stroke dialog still shows the new units. As far as I can tell, it stays changed until I specifically change it again.
Is that different for you? Follow these steps:
1 - select an object
2 - change the stroke units
3 - deselect it
Does the Fill and Stroke dialgo still show the new unit, or does it go back to the old?
4 - select another object
What units are showing now?
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There was a bug about setting document units in 0.92.2, I think... It has since been fixed, though, but I don't know how. Maybe we can make a default template for you, if you let us know your requirements. Who knows, perhaps that'll work.... (might not).
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You are setting the 'Display units' in the document properties, right? Because that's the only place where this setting will be saved. All other, single changes to units in the dropdowns behind the number entry fields are temporary only.
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@Brynn, per what the Inkscape Preferences show, I figured the conversion from the 1.00 Point to Pixels, this does = 1.33 PX, so for me it's that same. But I hadn't a clue WHAT the number referred to, since Preferences doesn't show, next to these numbers any type of measurement units to know what they are, e.g. PX, PT, IN etc., or IF they are in-fact measurements.
Though pls know I had set Stroke for ALL tools, including the Star to 1.00 POINT, but the Star Stroke did not/will not register the 1.00 (point) equivalent size in PX or IN.
Upon launching Inkscape, within the same open page document, when I draw with Rectangle, Ellipse, Spiral, Pencil, or Bezier, ALL strokes are 1.33 INCHES, the equivalent size of 1.00 Point but STILL the dialog box gives me Inches, not points. I go back & select each object, change the unit to points (the width or girth visually remains the same because 1.33 Inches = 1.00 Point, fine.) So, yes while I have the page opened, these remain constant every time selected (unless I physically change the stroke size or unit).
All except Star/Polygon... even though I have stroke set to 1.00 Point from the last objects drawn. After having selected POINTS, I draw a new star/polygon and it defaults to a size of 0.720 PT, so yea, it kept the POINT unit (within the Same file) but it will not keep the width/girth size, that drops down. I select it, change it to 1.00 point, & yes the same star remains 1.00 pt. But immediately after I draw another new Star and it reverts to 0.720 pt, every time a new one is drawn on the same opened page, regardless that the last star, the last items selected all are at 1.00 pt.
I then quit Inkscape/X11 relaunched all Rectangle, Ellipse, Spiral, Pencil, or Bezier, ALL strokes are now 0.014 INCHES? Except Star/Polygon that stroke is 0.010 INCHES? Always is Star/Polygon at a smaller width/girth size, for some reason.
@Moini, oh there WAS a bug with units in 0.92.2, I think I've re-broken the fix, possibly.
Re: my setting 'Display units' in the document properties... on my February 2, Reply # 12 I asked: IF one unit of measure is changed (or set as a default), then are all units of measure meant to change, across the board, by default will all items be Inches, or Points?
Because my end goal is to be able to set STROKE (within FILL & STROKE, also fyi Font size) to POINTS as my custom default.
But is this possible without changing ALL units of measure to Points? May I set units of measurement for individual uses, for example, I use "Stroke" and "Font" sizes measured in POINTS; can I set these items for POINTS & have these be the Default setting?
While I use INCHES for "Page Size", "Ruler" (<-though sometimes Centimeters), "Measure Tool", "Rectangle" dimensions, "Ellipse" dimensions, "Star/Polygon" dimensions, "Spiral" dimensions, etc. and would like to set these items with their own Default setting for INCHES as their unit of measurement.
Is it possible for me to do or create this in a default template?
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No, you can choose one unit for all number fields per document, by changing the value of 'display units' in the document properties.
All other unit settings for single number fields are temporary (as written above).
If you want / need something different, feel free to make a feature request in our brand new bug tracker (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/), after scanning the old bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape) for an existing request for this. If you find an old request, please transfer its info to the new tracker.
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Moini, you had mentioned possibly making a default template for me, am I understanding that what I am looking to do is more complex than creating a default template for me?
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Upon launching Inkscape, within the same open page document, when I draw with Rectangle, Ellipse, Spiral, Pencil, or Bezier, ALL strokes are 1.33 INCHES, the equivalent size of 1.00 Point but STILL the dialog box gives me Inches, not points. I go back & select each object, change the unit to points (the width or girth visually remains the same because 1.33 Inches = 1.00 Point, fine.) So, yes while I have the page opened, these remain constant every time selected (unless I physically change the stroke size or unit).
Unless I'm misunderstanding, isn't that what you want? Once you change the unit in Fill and Stroke dialog, it stays the same until you change it again.
Oh I see. When you close and re-open Inkscape, it's gone back to inches again. I don't know, I think that might be the best Inkscape can do, for what you want.
All except Star/Polygon... even though I have stroke set to 1.00 Point from the last objects drawn. After having selected POINTS, I draw a new star/polygon and it defaults to a size of 0.720 PT
I'm not sure why the Star tool is doing that. What is it set for in Inkscape Preferences?
Yes, setting the Display Units in Document Properties changes the units everywhere. Based on all the testing and troubleshooting we've just done, I think what you want is just not possible. I think the best Inkscape can do, is when you open a new document, change the units in Fill and Stroke, and it will stay that way, as long as the doc is open.
Moini seems to suggest there might be a way to do what you want with a custom document template. I don't know any way, so I'll be interested to learn what she's thinking (although there's a good chance I won't understand it :@@:)
In your first message, you reported using 0.92.2, which Moini thinks might have a bug related to units. Are you using it for some specific reason? Or was that a typing error?
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Oh... I see.
Well, I too will be interested in learning what she's thinking (although there's a better than good chance I won't understand it!) However I am waiting to see what her thoughts are prior to my posting (per her suggestion) to (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/), I've also done a scan of the old bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape)
Nope, not a typo... :yes: I am using 0.92.2, (I upgraded from 0.91) only because as per the https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-0.92.4/ site, It states the following:
"Note:
There is no .dmg file for macOS at this time.
If you're looking for a .dmg file for Inkscape, please use Inkscape 0.92.2 on macOS."
When I FIRST found Inkscape I attempted for far too many wasted hours (days) to "Build" Inkscape with both "Homebrew" & "Macports" --the first I'd heard of either of those things, & to no avail. A big, huge FAIL.... I haven't a clue about the "building" process, (I've no programming/tech skills, knowledge --AT ALL). I attempted to do so with some youtube tuts... not knowing what on earth I was doing & in the end, nothing worked. I had to go with the 0.91 version that came with .dmg files for Mac. Likewise, per the site, the only .dmg files for Mac currently are 0.92.2 so we lowly Mac users are designated a bit behind the technological advances in Inkscape.
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Nope, not a typo... :yes: I am using 0.92.2, (I upgraded from 0.91) only because as per the https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-0.92.4/ site, It states the following:
"Note:
There is no .dmg file for macOS at this time.
If you're looking for a .dmg file for Inkscape, please use Inkscape 0.92.2 on macOS."
Oh right! Sorry that didn't click right away. We'll cross our fingers for Moini's idea :xf2:
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Ok, will do... I'm thinking I may also post a new bug report... I went to both the gitlab & old bug site, I first searched through the 5004 files via an advanced search regarding "Units of Measure", thankfully found only 21 results pertaining to this subject. I did see a similar one: #1654828 'Need Document Properties setting for non-global Preferences>Tools>Text>Text units" reported by Edward J on 2017-01-08
However, I'm not exactly sure this is the same request since it references non-global (I'm guessing that's opposite of what I'm hoping to achieve) though in this user's line here:
"Some users may want to use the same units for everything in an image to keep things simple but the document specific "Default units" doesn't include text so they won't be able to use a specific unit for a specific document's text without changing the global option which can be undesirable."
It's sounding similar, but... I wish to have Stroke & Font/Text specifically able to set a Separate unit of measure (personally Points) by Default. WHILE keeping the options within the Tools Dialog Box on page themselves; IF I should need to change on occasion a unit of measure, e.g. from Points to Pixels or Inches. AND then set another Separate unit of measure by Default (personally INCHES) for other areas, Page, Ruler, Measurement, Object Dimensions etc. Is a default setting what is meant by Global?
Was this Edward J's request already included into the Mac 0.92.2 update (idk)? Also, I'm not sure whether it makes a difference but Edward J request is for his Windows vs a Mac as I'm on, (don't know how different the coding would be for such things).
If you think it's similar & I can ADD my request to it, I have created an account on GitLab and I will include his request tied to mine. I'm just not certain we're requesting the same things.
:peek: But, will also keep my eyes open here for Moini's thoughts & ideas... :f3: Thank you Brynn!
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Yes, this request cannot be solved with a default template. It only took quite long to understand what exactly you want.
As we're currently starting to migrate bugs, why not make a new one for this on gitlab, and then link to the old one on launchpad, that asks for the same (as far as you describe it, I didn't read) thing in a more limited scope. If you could then also add a comment on the launchpad bug, you might even hear back from Edward J.
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Oh, I see, darn! But I understand that what I'm looking to achieve may be much more complex to do than I can imagine (especially without any such technical skills as creating software!)
All right, I will put a request into gitlab, per your suggestion. Re: commenting on Launchpad, will that defeat the purpose of having a New bug tracker, commenting on both? And, hearing back from Edward J --the person who posted the request? I can ask if his issue was resolved --if that's what you mean?
Thank you and Brynn both for your expertise, help & patience in getting back to me here, I'm grateful for all the help & education.
PS. Is Gitlab where I would put a request for 4 Color Process, CMYK compatibility? Regarding opening of files with such profiles & outputting files most specifically for Professional Offset Printing Facilities to produce? Because Facilities like these use INK vs LIGHT Spectrum it necessitates the need for CMYK Separations. Important, because CMYK's needed by these facilities FROM art files to be PHYSICALLY, Mass-Produced with High Quality Realistic 'Printed Color' on "Heidelbergs", (the size of huge rooms), with individually Inked Plate Stations vs Cartridges & Toners used on personal printers, or copiers at Print On Demand, type facilities.
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I think it would just be nice, because then Edward is invited over to the new tracker, too, and knows what became of his report. And someone who is working on migrating the launchpad bugs to gitlab will then know that this bug report doesn't need to be migrated, as it already is.
It's definitely not resolved.
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PS. Is Gitlab where I would put a request for 4 Color Process, CMYK compatibility?
Were you discussing CMYK in a different thread? There is another recent thread where someone asked about that, and I put them in touch with people who are starting work on it. It would be better for you to also discuss with them. And I don't think it's made it to GL yet.
Let me search and remind myself if I already gave you that info somewhere. And if not, I'll give you the same info.
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Ok, here's the thread I was thinking of. https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php?topic=1519.0 I posted a link to a discussion in GL on cmyk. But I'm not sure if posting there now will contribute much to the current effort. But there are links in the GL Issue where I think you can find a more current discussion.
Or Moini might know where a more current discussion is happening?
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@Moini, per your suggestion I have now posted my request in the NEW bug tracker (https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/issues/), likewise I've added a comment to this post #1654828 by Edward J on 2017-01-08 on the old bug tracker (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape). Hopefully, he sees it & knows to move to the new site. BTW, my Post on GitLab is Titled: "Units of Measure AND CMYK" #85
@Brynn, no, I was not. This is my first initiated thread, & back in 2017, I posted to another Mac user's thread Re: Inkscape 0.92 installation on OSX" & my not being able to install 92 UNTIL the dmg files. But those are all of my conversations...
A recent CMYK thread, fantastic, so others are requesting this too!! YEA!! (Well, of course, they have to be...) I will check that out... and since I was ON GL posting my other issue I also mentioned on THERE, in my post, what I mentioned up above here to Moini on February 07, 2019, 09:07:01 PM Post #32 (^This page in the PS)
**FINGERS CROSSED for this feature, at this point I've yet to figure out how to deal with a lack of 4 Color Process...
Again thank you both for your help & I will check back to see what's happening with CMYK!!
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Have you see this tutorial for using Scribus to get CMYK? https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/getting-cmyk-colors-from-inkscape-to-scribus
And there's a recent new extension for this....it might be in that message thread I gave you above.... Oh, yes it is. But just for convenience, it's here: https://inkscape.org/~wout/%E2%98%85output-pro
I guess the native CMYK would be ideal. But until then, we have these 2.
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No, I've not, honestly idk what 'Scribus' is? Never heard of it, but when going to this first link: https://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/getting-cmyk-colors-from-inkscape-to-scribus I get a dreaded warning, of which I took heed and left, so I have no idea what this was about (*see image).
Wow, there's a lot of conversation happening on that GitLap post re: CMYK project writeup... but looks like this is waiting for a response to see what's happening with regard to a native solution for it?!
Whoa, there are plugins? So like Gimp & Adobe CS, had no idea.... okay 'Output Pro' is there info (for MAC's) on HOW/WHERE to install, & HOW to use it? Thank you.
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Oh that's my bad. I wrote the link wrong, sorry about that. Where it starts with https://, just take out the "s", and it will open normally.
For Output Pro, it's an external extension, meaning it needs to be installed. If you go to the Home tab on this website, and down near the bottom, there are instructions I wrote (for newbies) for installing extensions. But if you don't understand something, just ask. Well, I mean about installing it. I've never actually used that one, so I probably can't help with how to use it.
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Oh, I see --so this site has not been updated with the Google enforced 'Secure' level, & Google has pulled the False Alarm... better safe than sorry.
Wow, that's been the workaround since 2011 & Inkscape 0.48 (never even heard of that version), & the last comment was in 2017? Yikes. I checked out "Scribus" --will have to see if that's do-able, though from what I've read it does not support any filter/gradient etc. :/
And per the "Output Pro", I cannot seem to find a Mac version, apparently, it's on a "TO DO" list, sigh. Or, am I just missing where it would be? See here's where I believe the downloads are: https://github.com/wout/Inkscape-OUTPUT-PRO --scroll down to Mac :(
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Yeah, Libre Graphics World is not as active as it once was. But the age of that article should give you some idea how long Inkscape users have been needing CMYK. I don't know anything about google secure. I think they just aren't using an SSL Certificate, and I assumed they were, and wrote the URL wrong.
You don't need a specific Mac version of the extension. You just need to install it per the instructions. Maybe it doesn't work on a Mac, but you can only find out by trying it. Who knows, maybe the author doesn't take care to keep his info up to date? Or maybe parts of it would work? But even if it doesn't work on a Mac, the Scribus route should work.
I'm afraid I don't know anything about whether Scribus supports filters and gradients. If it didn't back then, maybe it does now?? It's probably had a number of upgrades too.
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Yes, I saw... that's scary how long there's been no help for building CMYK into Inkscape, I understand, lack of tech help; but frustrating too.
I'd expect they must not be using the SSL Certificate otherwise, the site would redirect to it. Google penalizes, via ranking in searches, those without it.
Uh, sorry? I'm confused because it seems like, per the site that there is no plugin for Mac because there are not any instructions for Mac... (Hence the "To Do", I believe.) It looks like those instructions are for Linux?!
Per Scribus supporting filters and gradients, all I've found is that it does not. I have downloaded the program, will have to test out, when I can.
Really hoping something comes of the CMYK issue... it would be a great help to those of us working with 4 color CMYK, or more if including Spot Colors necessitating Separations for Off-Set Printing facilities. Only because RGB coloring with "LIGHTS" will not transfer to "INK" coloring on either White Paper, Recycled Paper, Folding Carton, or Corrugated, which include multiple industries, and Inkscape could be a perfect solution for such applications.
Again, thank you for your help, it's MUCH appreciated!
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Uh, sorry? I'm confused because it seems like, per the site that there is no plugin for Mac because there are not any instructions for Mac... (Hence the "To Do", I believe.) It looks like those instructions are for Linux?!
There is one plugin for all 3 systems. You could install it if you wanted to. But it sounds like it doesn't work on Macs. So maybe you don't want to bother.
I don't understand those codes in the Linux section. It looks like you have to install some other things in addition to the basic extension. I suppose you might expect that there would be other things to install for Macs too, but I don't really know.
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Sorry, there is ONE plugin, regardless of operating system? Per an online search, resulting in this Thread, someone made reference to it being a Linux extension --> http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5943&start=25
Even IF this is supposed to be a universal plugin, I HAD downloaded Output Pro, opened the zip file, found it's an "EXEC" file. Exec files are Windows executable which supposedly, are not capable of being run on a Mac, (it seems some Exec files COULD be Unix executable; but most of the time, a Mac would just not know what it is) & is treated as Unknown.
Also, the plugin seems not to have been updated in quite some time, 6+yrs and seemed to act kind of wonky from what I've read. Lastly, there are no installation instructions for Mac. I say this because, although there are MULTIPLE Extensions Folders on Mac, on mine (perhaps on all, idk) there are 44 Extension Folders, plus some 252 (Yes, I searched my Mac) Extension --files, applications or frankly I don't know enough about what they are exactly --to say.
However NOT a single one that follows this Path:
/usr/share/inkscape/extensions
NOR a single one that follows this Path:
.config/inkscape/extensions
And to place files, etc. in hidden folders that are not meant to have such files in them --could be detrimental to the computer, hence Apple HIDING these folders-- like the latter on a .config path.
Which is why I believe it states: "To-do" Beneath Mac OS, under Installation, on the https://github.com/wout/Inkscape-OUTPUT-PRO site, because they have yet to create Mac installation instructions.
Honestly, it's not a matter of "not wanting to bother" OR for lack of trying, but simply, as far as I can tell, this is not a plugin that a Mac can use, & those installation instructions are not pertaining to a Mac. :-S :-(
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This might be a case where investigating deeper is confusing you more than it's helping. That actually happens to me a lot!
Sorry, there is ONE plugin, regardless of operating system?
Yes, that's how Inkscape extensions work. You could install the extension if you want to, using the instructions I gave you originally (https://inkscape.org/learn/faq/#how-install-new-extensions-palettes-document-templates-symbol-sets-icon-sets-etc, or if you need simpler instructions, try the Home tab on this website, down towards the bottom).
But it doesn't sound like it will work after you install it, because as we see for Linux, other things need to be installed. They would probably need to be installed for a Mac too -- not necessarily the same things that you see in the Linux section, but something similar for Macs, maybe. I don't really know exactly what would need to be installed. But as far as I can tell, other things would need to be installed. It sounds like the author hasn't worked that out yet.
Most Inkscape extensions don't need anything more than the extension file that you download. This one, and a few others do need extra things.
However NOT a single one that follows this Path:
/usr/share/inkscape/extensions
NOR a single one that follows this Path:
.config/inkscape/extensions
Is that what you see in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions ? You've got to completely ignore the Linux section for that extension. It doesn't apply to you on a Mac. If this author, or someone else ever makes it to work on a Mac, they will tell you the proper place to install everything. It won't be the same place on a Mac that it is on a Linux.
I'm sure some parts of that extension could be 8 or 10 years old. The original creator of that extension started it at least that long ago. They had a working extension for a few years, and then withdrew it, because they wanted to update and improve it. I never used it, so I don't know how well or not well it might have worked at that time.
Unfortunately, they stalled out on their new and improved version. And eventually someone else picked it up, and made it what it is now. I think that was just a few months ago. So what it is now, as a whole, is fairly current. Although parts might be quite old, I don't really know. So it depends on when those comments that you saw were made, whether they apply to this iteration of this extension, or the first one.
As for hidden files, I had the Windows hidden files unhidden within the first few weeks of using my first computer. And I've never had a problem. Software developers use those files to hold things that users need access to (just like Inkscape does). I can only imagine the internal fights which system developers must have about that.
However, you can always re-hide the files after you install the extension. I mean, you can re-hide them in Windows. I don't know about Macs.
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Unfortunately, all this information, even just as you've provided here, suggesting this likely won't work on a Mac sans, other components, or possibly won't work even WITH these extras is a little too risky for THIS Mac user to just jump in to install it, possibly harming internal necessary folder formats, idk, not being a developer --let alone a System Developer.
I am a long time Mac user (& only Mac, have never used anything else), have had to figure much out for myself primarily because in large corporations where I've worked 'IT departments' never supported the Mac, hence I was on my own. So I do know, to those Developers dismay, how via terminal -etc. to Unhide/Hide those folders but I suspect the majority of Mac users would not, at all. And if something was messed up due to what I did, with my lack of knowledge about the internal workings of the Mac (my actual knowledge on this is approximately .000001% IF I flatter myself...), I would forfeit my Apple support and be left with a lovely looking albeit expensive computer that potentially is malfunctioning if working at all. Because who knows what could potentially... accidentally happen while messing around in the hidden folders, e.g., accidentally moving files, or opening & corrupting files, or the dreaded deletion of a pertinent file!! Ha, through the years I've done all that & worse with my own files that I've created in the SAFE, unhidden zones!!
Per your Q: "Is that what you see in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions?" No, I did not go that route, I searched through my computer for the specific PATHS, using 'EasyFind', which will show all files & folders, hidden or not and shows you the Paths to get to them, IF they exist on your computer.
So with that, I believe I will leave these types of extensions ALONE, unless they become more Mac-able, easier to install on their own without the extra bits, & perhaps somewhat more proven to work on a Mac.
That being said I will play around with Scribus, hoping that --though not as seamless as a built-in native CMYK solution within Inkscape, it may be of some help?
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Yeah, Apple is probably the OS provider who trusts their users least to be able to understand things. Maybe try a different operating system, if you want to understand what's going on in your box?
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Oh, aside from Google with Android, of course, but I meant desktop.
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Per your Q: "Is that what you see in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions?" No, I did not go that route, I searched through my computer for the specific PATHS, using 'EasyFind', which will show all files & folders, hidden or not and shows you the Paths to get to them, IF they exist on your computer.
When you asked how to install it, I gave you the instructions. And looking in Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions for the proper file path is part of the instructions. That's all I know about it.
I don't know why you thought using the Linux installation instructions would be proper for you, but you can ignore those, as I said before.
If the file path which is given for Macs is a hidden location (as it might be for Windows as well) and if Macs don't provide a way for users to access the hidden files safely, then perhaps the Inkscape developers need to come up with another way to handle this.
However, it's been my understanding that there is some way to access that hidden location safely. I only know what that way is for Windows. I don't know what that way is for Macs. Actually this is the first time I've heard that the extension file path is hidden on Macs.
If you can tell us what that safe way is for Macs, we can add it to the instructions.
Otherwise, as you said, I guess you just can't use external extensions.
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:lol: Lol, "try a different operating system" that's funny. I think I will likely go to my grave a Mac User...
Not only would I be needing to learn Inkscape, (which I consider having a slight advantage coming with as many years using Adobe products as I am on a Mac. For me it's learning HOW & WHERE to do the same things in Inkscape that I CAN already do in Illustrator.) I would also need to learn the installation and BEHIND the scenes, INSIDE a NEW OS AND I'd also have to learn a NEW OS itself!!? I'm looking to get up and going on Inkscape asap... going to a totally new OS is like going backward, puts me in a huge TIME disadvantage & much behind the learning curve! I only know as much as I do regarding the Mac because of the YEARS I've put in using it... NOT because I LOVE knowing the "How To's" not really my thing, I honestly just want to go and DESIGN... How incredibly daunting! And I think Apple understands this about its users, (or at least the ORIGINAL Users) they are so much less interested in the mechanics of the machine, they just want it to work as they imagine it can, we're not Technically advanced regarding the INNER WORKINGS of the computer. Hence APPLE DOES NOT TRUST us to go digging around imperative files and folders WE KNOW they don't, it's not really unknown to us & it's somewhat comforting to know if we don't go into the DARK Hidden areas we really can't "break" it beyond repair to a point of no return. I think I will ever so graciously say No Thank You, & stay with my MacOS!
AH, sorry my misunderstanding, I thought you meant for me to follow the installation instructions from the GitHub,Inc. site, where the ONLY installation instructions are for LINUX. >> https://github.com/wout/Inkscape-OUTPUT-PRO
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"Output Pro
An extension to export print-ready documents from Inkscape
Introduction
With this extension you will be able to export your Inkscape documents into a variety of formats and colormodes. As it initial and main goal,Inkscape Output Pro export into the CMYK colormode, compatible with the press and graphic industry standards.
It is possible to use specific ICC profiles, set other colormodes than RGB and CMYK, like Grayscale and Lab, set specific JPEG configurations, insert pre-press marks and even more.
Installation
Linux
First, make sure you have Libcanberra and PyQt4 installed
sudo apt install libcanberra-gtk-module libcanberra-gtk3-module
sudo apt install python-qt4
The copy outputpro.inx, outputpro.py and the outputpro directory to:
/usr/share/inkscape/extensions
If you don't have root access or only want the files to be available to the current user:
<YOUR HOME DIR>/.config/inkscape/extensions
Note:
I'm on elementary OS Juno and I had to install gtk2-engines-pixbuf to get rid of an error message after exporting:
sudo apt install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
This might be true for all Ubuntu based distros as well.
Windows
This might work, but has not been tested yet. To-do.
macOS
To-do.
Important
As the orignal author abandoned the project. It is my intention to keep it working in recent versions of Inkscape.
Credits
The Output Pro extension was originally written by Jonată Bolzan.
License
Output Pro is licensed under the terms of the GNU License."
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Going this route: "Inkscape Preferences > System > User Extensions" shows this path: /Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape/extensions
And I must emphasize this...:thd::no1: NO, there IS NO "SAFE" way for a Mac User to access this portion: .config/inkscape/extensions.
From .config on, this is all hidden. We users are NOT meant to go in there for reasons stated prior. Plus if a user knows only just a tad less than I know about using Terminal they will never find it. Many Mac Users have never heard of TERMINAL, it was years before I had. There's really not much if ANYTHING we (as average users, not talking about those who are savvy enough, knowledge-wise regarding the mechanical workings of the Mac) would ever go in that area for and it's a bit frightening for us to mess with Terminal --and the ABYSS of the UN-KNOWN behind there. Seriously!
The only 'SAFER' place I can imagine placing an extensions addon folder is this way, where I originally thought these needed to go, but Moini said it was not the correct folder, because the Inkscape developer imperative files are kept here, perhaps these folders could be switched so we Mac Users could not access the Inkscape developer imperative files behind the .config? (See Screen Shot): MacintoshHD > Applications > Inkscape.app > Contents > Resources > share > inkscape > extensions
Trust me, many Mac users don't even know how to access an applications package: "CONTENTS" & beyond, as this is somewhat hidden but this IS accessible for Mac users without using Terminal. It's just a matter of going: MacintoshHD > Applications > Inkscape.app THEN clicking to highlight Inkscape.app, & using 2 finger click (which = a right click) & scroll down to: "Show Package Contents" from there you may access Contents > Resources > share > inkscape > extensions
Hope that's helpful?
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Yeah, sorry about that... Accessing that folder is safe, though. It's your personal configuration for Inkscape. If you break something inside, you just empty the folder, and it will come back with new preferences. There's nothing unsafe about it except for your operating system's judgement about your abilities. I would trust you to put files into that folder.
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What would happen if you searched for
/Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape/extensions
using your file manager? In Windows, it opens that location, and the user can paste in the needed contents (INX and PY files). It doesn't unhide the location, so it remains hidden and safe, but the user can still install the extension.
I've never tried it, but I doubt if it would allow you to delete something out of that file. But it does allow you to paste something in.
Maybe it works like that on Macs too??
Or else, another option on Windows is to unhide the area temporarily, and hide it back again afterwards. Is that possible on a Mac?
Edit
You could still install your extension in the program files (what you refer to as "Inkscape developer imperative files"). It's just that the next time you upgrade Inkscape, you'll have to install the extension again.
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Putting extensions into the .dmg file is even harder, if not impossible, Brynn.
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Sorry, you lost me there. ??
I was explaining how Windows handles the hidden files, and asking if Mac offers something similar. Nothing to do with DMG file, at least that I know of.
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I understood that in your afterthought, you were suggesting installing into the program's installation directory, where stock extensions live, as an alternative, if the profile folder can't be found. However, this is even harder to do on a Mac, as the program is kept in a special container called dmg.
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The Extensions folder is not really ‘hidden’ in Inkscape.
It’s inside the Inscape package file.
If the Mac user uses the above method as ‘cc’ mentions (Right or control-click the Inkscape Icon) and do the show package contents command) and follow this path you will find the installed Extensions folder for the Inkscape version you have.
Inkscape 0.xx.xx(whatever version)/Contents/Resources/Share/inkscape/Extensions.
This is where you could install (a simple drag and drop) the INX and PY files.
Restart Inkscape and see if they work by looking in your Inscape Extensions drop down menu.
BTW .dmg files are the equivalent ISO files on a Windows System.
Usually used as an installer tool and seen buy by the computer as a tiny disk drive and can be ‘mounted’ and ‘ejected’ just as a disk drive can be also after the installation is done.
Inside the dmg there is a ‘script’ file that does the installing using all the necessary files included.
If you wanted to see inside of a .dmg file you could use a shareware file called 'Pacifist'.
I think you can even edit the dmgs' by paying for the program, although unless you are a developer et-al you probably would not need that.
I trust that some of this contributes to the thread.
Thanks
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This is where you could install (a simple drag and drop) the INX and PY files.
Does that folder correspond to:
a) the folder inside the dmg file with all the stock extensions in it (so *in* the dmg file) or
b) the folder that is for custom extensions (in the user's home directory)
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If a), then I'd strongly discourage doing this.
If b) - great! We need that kind of instructions.
Can you clarify, Gangus?
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However, this is even harder to do on a Mac, as the program is kept in a special container called dmg.
Oohh ok. I thought DMG was the file format. I didn't know there was a folder called "dmg".
Yes, GANGUS, if you could help to reassure cc about installing the extension in the apparently hidden user extension folder (not the program folder which I've just learned is called "dmg"), that would be great!
To be honest, this is the first time I've heard (a) that the user folder for extensions is hidden in Macs, and (b) that someone doesn't believe us that it's safe to access it anyway. So I'm at a loss to help.
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Quotes from Moini
“Does that folder correspond to:”
“a) the folder inside the dmg file with all the stock extensions in it (so *in* the dmg file) or”
a) Yes, the folder that is/was inside the dmg installer file.
“b) the folder that is for custom extensions (in the user's home directory)”
b) Yes, there IS another different folder that has the Users custom extensions, but it is a hidden file.
Showing hidden files on a Mac (since the release of Sierra MacOS 10.12.6) is actually quite easy now,
It does not show on the Desktop but it shows inside of any windows.
just do a CMD + SHIFT + . (that’s a period at the end) Do the same command again to re-hide them.
Very handy.
The path for the custom extensions installs on a Mac is; …
HardDrive/Users/your-name/.config/extensions
The little dot in front of ‘config’ file indicates a hidden file on a Mac.
Installing the INX & PY files in either extension folder seems to work here, but it’s probably better to install any added extensions in the users personal folder so that if a new version of Inscape is installed later, your added extensions will be available with the newer version.
Now you will be able to access that hidden extension folder using the path indicated above and do your drags and drops.
There’a another involved way using the Terminal but mistakes made using the Terminal can be disastrous.
The hidden path above and a host of other paths where one can better understand the inner workings of Inkscape are easily accessible in Inkscapes preferences. ie; edit/Preferences/System
I trust we are all aware of this.
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@brynn,
“Oohh ok. I thought DMG was the file format. I didn't know there was a folder called "dmg”.”
A DMG file is a mountable disk image created in Mac OS X. It contains raw block data typically compressed and sometimes encrypted. DMG files are commonly used for OS X software installers that are downloaded from the Internet and mounts as a virtual disk on the desktop when opened.
Typically, a Mac user would double-click the DMG and there will be an Installer inside to double click (again) on.
The installation would then proceed. Occasionally, there are additional things required with all new new security additions.
“Yes, GANGUS, if you could help to reassure cc about installing the extension in the apparently hidden user extension folder (not the program folder which I've just learned is called "dmg"), that would be great!”
Yes, it’s quite safe to Install things with a drag and drop, but the typical (shall we say) Casual Home User may feel like it is a big deal the first time, where it really is not.
There’s really not much difference between PC’s and Mac’s, just some different words for the same things.
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And even less difference to Linux, after all, it's all Unix. But Linux users are generally even more courageous/educated about computer matters than macOS and Windows users.
Thank you for the text, Gangus. May we use that (or parts of it) on the Inkscape website, in the FAQ?
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Yes, Unix is the birth place of all of it.
I doubt that I could spend too much time in a Linux environment.
Typing commands and long paths all day to do almost anything.
I guess if you need precision, it’s the place to be though.
Yes, anything I share here, is available to all.
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If you only knew :) I'm not typing commands all day. It's just a normal desktop, with icons to click on.
However, the terminal is easily available, and sometimes it's faster than clicking around until you get to the thing you need (and, of course, I do a lot of things that are probably quite different from what you need to do, like using version control, or testing and debugging scripts, which only work on the command line - but there's no difference to Win or Mac for those).
For browsing, email, drawing and other basic needs, there isn't much of a difference, it's all graphical.
Thank you for giving permission to use that bit of info about how to find the hidden folders on a current Mac, Gangus! This will no doubt be very helpful, we can then easily refer people to it, too.
@Brynn: I'll integrate that into the FAQ.
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@Brynn: I'll integrate that into the FAQ.
Sounds good. I didn't even realize there was an issue with hidden files in Macs, until now.
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@Moini: "If you break something inside, you just empty the folder, and it will come back with new preferences." Ah, that's good information to know. TY
@Brynn: "What would happen if you searched for /Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape/extensions"
Unless the folders are UNnhidden you will not see this path beyond the hidden .config so nothing really.
I also got a bit lost after much of this... but per .dmg file/folder --(further down Gangus explains it well). Know they're not meant to be "opened" as such, more like an extraction for the Program/App to 'propagate' itself on to the Mac.
@Gangus: "The Extensions folder is not really ‘hidden’ in Inkscape. It’s inside the Inscape package file." --Just to clarify I wasn't actually referring to hidden areas in INKSCAPE, Per se just Hidden areas past the .config folders on a MAC.
As for the path to the Extensions within the Package Contents, (Right or control-click the Inkscape Icon) --Moini had earlier in this conversation mentioned this is not the Extensions folder were meant to use.
Past that you've really lost me, do you mean for the Inkscape Developers to drag & drop INX and PY files there... (Sorry I don't even know what INX and PY files are...)
Also THANKS for the tip on how to access hidden files SANS Terminal... I hadn't known the: CMD + SHIFT + .(period) trick. That IS handy... much more so then the Terminal Command, which IS how I have accessed hidden files.
What I was attempting to explain was that in all the years of being on a Mac (& from my personal experience and usage) going into HIDDEN Files is not something commonly, often done, NOR something that's often been necessary TO DO. It's why they're hidden from us.
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@Brynn: "What would happen if you searched for /Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape/extensions"
Unless the folders are UNnhidden you will not see this path beyond the hidden .config so nothing really.
I would have thought that to be the case in Windows too. So I never had tried it. But once someone told me about it, I tried, and it does work. That's why I thought it might work for Macs.
Apparently, at least in Windows, hiding those folders means to not show them in the file manager. It doesn't mean make them completely inaccessible. If they don't show in the file manager, then an inexperienced user can't stumble on them and accidentally change something. I guess hiding them is meant to prevent accidents, but if a user specifically searches for a hidden file or folder, that's not an accident. So access is allowed.
I don't know, but maybe it's the same for Macs?
Past that you've really lost me, do you mean for the Inkscape Developers to drag & drop INX and PY files there... (Sorry I don't even know what INX and PY files are...)
I think he means that you can install the extension by drag and drop. I would guess copy/paste would work as well. You can unhide the hidden files temporarily, using the key shortcut he gave, drop the files in, and hide them again.
If you had read the instructions (for installing extensions) that I've given you at least a couple of times now, you would know what they are. They are the files which need to be placed in the Inkscape user directory extensions folder. If they aren't there (or they're inside a folder in the extensions folder) the extension won't really be installed, and you won't see it in the menu.
Meanwhile, Moini has updated the faq with info from GANGUS, with a safe way to install extensions on Macs. Hhmm, it doesn't look like she's done it yet. But when she does, you'll see it here: https://inkscape.org/learn/faq/#how-install-new-extensions-palettes-document-templates-symbol-sets-icon-sets-etc
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So I again attempted to search: /Users/cc.macbookpro/.config/inkscape/extensions
but now two different ways, first in 'FINDER' & second using 'SPOTLIGHT', I was wrong. You can find the path via Spotlight, though it's deceiving & looks like it's found nothing, except YOU see the path at the bottom. (See attached pics.) The top search is in Finder which displays '0', no results, you will not find it via this search. The bottom is Spotlight where you see an empty folder; BUT also the path getting to the empty extensions folder. So you were right Brynn, depending on how you search, you CAN find it.
Yes, uh huh I DO know that you can install by Drag and Drop into hidden folders. I've said here that I HAVE DONE SO, but I've done so by Unhiding the folders via "Terminal Commands".
"If you had read the instructions (for installing extensions) that I've given you at least a couple of times now, you would know what they are. They are the files which need to be placed in the Inkscape user directory extensions folder. If they aren't there (or they're inside a folder in the extensions folder) the extension won't really be installed, and you won't see it in the menu."
Lol, I HAVE INDEED read your instructions... every single time. What I am saying... what's been confusing for me, that I must clearly reiterate; is that going into HIDDEN Files is not something commonly, often done. NOR something that's often been necessary TO DO.
I myself, am not exactly a casual home user. I've been on a MAC (& again ONLY a Mac) professionally for Design since the Adobe programs were: "Abobe '88"; so I just may be an 'AVERAGE user'. And although I have gone into Hidden Files in the PAST when necessary, VIA Terminal Commands I've not done so often. Still, I am not very comfortable going into the hidden area IF I don't HAVE to. Simply because as a Designer I feel I'm not as knowledgeable with the 'behind' the scenes and workings of a computer. Also, from my experience when I've called for Apple support, they do try to deter you from accessing hidden areas for possible mishaps. But who knows with the changes in Sierra MacOS 10.12.6 with just a CMD + SHIFT + . (period), perhaps this is changing? Idk?
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That's interesting! Maybe Moini can use that info when she edits the faq info.
On the positive side, this discussion has triggered some brief discussion with developers about this issue. I don't know how far it will go. But we will certainly come up with instructions providing the safest way to install extensions on a Mac.
On the less than positive side, as you've probaby noticed, the Inkscape project has lately had difficulty finding people who can package Inkscape for Macs. So until we can find someone who wants to do it on a regular basis, we won't see current versions of Inkscape for Macs - at least not with a simple installation method. For pros who can compile it, or those who can figure out MacPorts, yes, Inkscape will remain available. But for most Mac users, some developers want to stop advertising the fact that Inkscape is available for Macs.
So it is a serious issue indeed. I hope we can find some people who can do this for us, but it doesn't look good at the moment.
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NOOOOOOO! Oh no.... and with more and more (mac) users looking for alternatives to the major Vector software player --Adobe Illustrator. I really do hope this is not the end of the road for Mac and Inkscape.
:(
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Oh, well I didn't mean to imply it would be the end of the road. When I first started using Inkscape (~11 years ago), the devs were having trouble finding people to package Inkscape for Windows, while Mac support was better (as far as installation packages). Now it's the other way around. So it fluctuates over time.
Since Inkscape is made primarily to be used with Linux, Linux users will never have to worry about this. But for Windows and Mac, things may always be in a bit of flux, in this way.
But heck, someone could show up tomorrow who wants to help with packaging for Mac. We shouldn't give up hope! And we shouldn't stop trying to get the word out, and try to recruit programmers (or packagers, in this case).
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Ah whew, yes agreed... so I take it you Design on Linux?
Wow, I'm surprised that Windows users were in the same situation. I am and will be hopeful regarding recruitment of programmers (or packagers, lol, unfortunately, I don't know the difference between the 2). And those developers will want to continue advertising that Inkscape is available for Mac.
Honestly, I do think there are many more out there looking to 'jump ship' from the SUBSCRIPTION based application. I know for me and others like me who have been LONG time Adobe Users, going to sub base was a bit of a deal breaker and kind of a last straw. So perhaps more Mac programmer/packagers will feel the same! (*AND include CMYK output within the program itself!)
:xf2:
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Hah, I wouldn't exactly call myself a "designer". I use Inkscape as a hobby, and find it a stretch to think of myself as an artist. Mostly I just enjoy the creative process. Inkscape makes that very easy and fun. And it's a great community to be a part of.
I've been a Windows user since I got my first computer in the late 90s. But with Microsoft's decision to make Windows cloud-based, starting with whatever version comes after Windows 10, I've decided to switch to Linux. I've started the process to make the switch, but I keep getting interrupted with issues related to running this website. But eventually I'll get there.
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Hey, good news!
I just read a message giving info about the hackfest that has just concluded. You'll appreciate a few of the items reported. To quote:
* For Mac OS/X, we want to make initial steps by 1.0
Our first objective will be packaging a demo app. This could be a
scripted build of gtk3-demo-application, for example; that way if
there are problems, it will be more familiar to upstream. If this can
be achieved by beta, we may be able to invest more to getting a
package ready by 1.0.
A follow up would be to convert the raw build script into equivalent
CMake commands. This should reveal lessons on how to do this for
Inkscape.
Additional steps were scoped out, and will need further definition in
gitlab. The master bug for this should probably move to the "Big
Ideas" tracker at this point. [my note - "Big Ideas" tracker doesn't exist yet, but creating it is another item in this list]
* For CMYK, Color Management, and PDF/Print, we have a detailed plan of
development tasks needed.
This will be published in the "Big Ideas" gitlab tracker.
* We will establish Paypal buttons for dedicated funds to start
collection of donations for several targeted efforts:
A. Native Mac OS/X Packaging
B. Color Management
C. Internships promoting diversity (e.g. Outreachy)
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That sounds encouraging indeed.
At least they are still thinking about us Mac users.
I guess a donation could go a long way here too.
To think that people should have to spend there time doing it all for free is inconsiderate perhaps.
I recall that Tim Sheridan (tghs) had played a part in getting Inkscape 0.92.2 packaged for Mac users.
https://inkscape.org/~tghs/
I wonder what happened to his support.
Thanks Brynn for sharing the good news.
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I remember Tim working on that too. I assume he just doesn't have time currently, but I don't really know.
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GANGUS, cc: Can you check if this is correct, please:
If you've found a new Inkscape extension (or palette, document template, symbol set, icon set, etc.) on the internet, you'll need to install it in Inkscape, to be able to use it.
The directory where the downloaded files need to be pasted is slightly different, depending on which kind of system you're using. To find it, look in Edit menu > Preferences > System > User config. There you will see a path, which for example, in Windows, is C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Inkscape, on Linux it could be /home/username/.config/inkscape, and on a Mac, you may find that it is /Users/username/.config/inkscape/.
When you browse to that place, using your file manager, it may be that the folder is not visible to you, because it is hidden ( period in front of a file name makes it a hidden folder or file). In that case:
- On Windows, you can consult Windows documentation for instructions how to unhide all hidden files and folders. Or you can paste that path into Windows Explorer, to open just that folder, for just this reason (and all the other hidden folders remain hidden). It might not look like there's any place to paste that path, in Windows Explorer, but it's the first row under the titlebar. Just click there, and you will see that you can paste it in. Don't forget to change "user name" to the name you registered for your computer.
- On a Mac, to unhide files in your file browser, (since the release of Sierra MacOS 10.12.6) you can do a CMD + SHIFT + . (that’s a period at the end).
- On Linux, depending on the file browser you use, you may need to right-click and select to display hidden folders, or you can paste the path directly into the field for the path, or there may be a specific keyboard shortcut for it.
Inside the preferences directory, you will see several folders, such as 'extensions', 'palettes', 'templates', etc. Sometimes, the folder you need isn't there yet. If that's the case, you can just create one.
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Tim isn't allowed to work on it, due to his workplace not giving him permission, as far as I know. Might have changed since, but that was the original reason.
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So the windows OS is cloud based? I don't even pretend to imagine how an OPERATING SYSTEM is CLOUD BASED! That's crazy! And frankly, --what a pain, what if your internet is down, you can't work, at all!? Oh dear god, I don't even want to think about that nightmare!
Per your GOOD NEWS... YEA! I think, unfortunately reading that & comprehending what was stated in that report are very different, especially for a layperson like myself. However, I believe the gist of it was:
• Inkscape for MAC WILL Indeed continue!
• Plans ARE in play for CMYK! ALL who work with 4C Print process will be psyched!
• And it looks hopeful that more money will be sought to fund these projects (perhaps a GO FUND ME or a KICKSTARTER?)
• And the interest in diversity so not only Inkscape for Linux, but also for Mac & Windows, etc., is that right?
Agreed just because it's OPEN SOURCE doesn't mean the creators should be expected NOT to get paid for their time, efforts & talent, where's the incentive in that?
That is awesome! :sun:
Moini, so you know I've not (yet at this point) installed any Inkscape extensions... however on version 0.92.2
• Correct the path shown in USER CONFIG is: /Users/username/.config/inkscape/
• Correct it IS hidden due to .config
• Correct, Per Gangus, I've found this works: CMD + SHIFT + . (to both UNHIDE & HIDE again)
• Correct, regarding what is found inside that directory... see my screenshot, for a visual showing you the path & contents. :nod:
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This thread seems to be going and going on & on….But, that’s OK with me..
Mac users are few and far between around here and it’s nice to be a part of their support, if i can be.
@ cc, as/per the main Topic, have the Inkscape ‘crashes’ eased up, or are you still having problems?
I am not an Inkscape power user at all, but I do have a couple of projects I use daily that I use Inkscape for. I update a graphical calendar weekly which is a visual picture of my home and work schedule which I display as a desktop picture on my 2nd monitor. It’s nice to be able to easily drag text objects around right where you want them and keep things organized.
As far as I understand about the Cloud, it’s not really mandatory for us Mac users to be too involved, however, Apple does open a free, minimal storage Cloud account when you install Sierra and on up. You can use it a lot or very little. In one way the Cloud can be used like a mirror of what is on your computer and you can control how much or how little of it you want you put there.
Say your a professional photographer and you have thousands of High-Res pictures or even movie clips. So many that you have to put them on an external drive at home. Now say you go on a business trip. Well, in stead of dragging that external drive along you just keep them all on the Cloud and access them when you get to where you are going. Your computer has all your Apps. and your in business, be it your Laptop, iPhone, iPad, etc. It could be for tons audio or midi files, same thing if you were a musician.
So, it can be a good thing for some. I should think this applies to PC and Linux as well.
The Cloud is the Cloud. Just a monster file server in a big building, in a city somewhere.
@Moini yes, your text for installing exts’ seems quite correct to me.
Although, for the hidden files thing;
You have ‘On a Mac, to unhide files in your file browser, (since the release of Sierra MacOS 10.12.6) you can do a CMD + SHIFT + . (that’s a period at the end).’
I would change that to ‘On a Mac, to unhide files, in The Finder, (only since the release of Sierra MacOS 10.12.6) you can do a CMD + SHIFT + . (that’s a period at the end).’
The Mac equivalent of ‘your file browser’ should read ‘The Finder’ for Mac people.
also, if you like, you could mention ‘On Systems before Sierra it has to be done using the Terminal App. for your specific MacOS’ (perhaps not really necessary). Up to you.
{because; there is a small but important difference between using earlier OS’s, one uses (F)inder and the other uses (f)inder. depending on the specific OS.}
I guess your getting ready to include it within the big Inkscape FAQ file and want it to be right.
@Brynn Yes, I recall that now, with Tim using the work machine for private stuff was a no no.
If I hit the lottery, I will buy him a Mac.
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Thank you, both, cc + GANGUS! Finder it will be then. I'll update the FAQ later today.
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When you browse to that place, using your file manager, it may be that the folder is not visible to you, because it is hidden ( period in front of a file name makes it a hidden folder or file). In that case:
Moini, that's only for Macs. Windows doesn't have it (not sure about Linux). Oh....actually Windows does put a dot in front of a folder name sometimes, but I'm not sure the reason. It could be that it means they're hidden. However, the hidden folders in this case, in Windows, don't have the period.
Otherwise, it looks good to me :)
So the windows OS is cloud based? I don't even pretend to imagine how an OPERATING SYSTEM is CLOUD BASED! That's crazy! And frankly, --what a pain, what if your internet is down, you can't work, at all!? Oh dear god, I don't even want to think about that nightmare!
It's not now, but it will be, starting with whatever the next version after Windows 10 is. Being cloud based doesn't mean it needs the internet to run. It means part of the system is in a cloud network. I have to think it's not a part that's needed very often. Probably there will be a temporary version of those parts on the user's computer. At least that would be my guess. I don't know anything about exactly how it will work, because as I mentioned, I'm jumping ship!
Yeah, nightmare is right! Windows 10 was enough of a nightmare for me. I tried upgrading, but it was in fact a nightmare, and I promptly went back to Windows 7.
And the interest in diversity so not only Inkscape for Linux, but also for Mac & Windows, etc., is that right?
I think "diversity" refers to recruiting more volunteers who are not Caucasian males (as is the current trend). I'm not sure exactly what's behind that. Being such an international community, as Inkscape's is, I think we are already fairly diverse. But perhaps not among developers....I'm really not too sure. It might be a desire among the larger open source community, but I'm just guessing. (I know you probably weren't interested in that, but I didn't want to break up that item when quoting the message.)
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@Gangus, Lol, Yes, this seems to be a continual growth thread.
Per the crashes, they have either somewhat, or I'm not working at the same extent. I was testing the TWEAK Tool 'Roughen Parts Of Paths', to try to recreate Faux Fur, something I do in AI, with the WARP Tool, I believe it's the closest tool. AND of course I realize it's a toll with the math calculations but I was hoping to get the same effect. (See attached AI examples) These are to mimic what FUR would look like along the top Cuff, down along a zipper of the shaft & a pompom on a lace of footwear/boots. Tweak tool may not have the power behind it, 1) because I cannot seem to get the 'Roughen Parts Of Paths' to the heights & depths as shown with AI, 2) because after doing a bit of this it craps out & I lose the entire path itself --not a crash, while STILL in Inkscape, but my path vanishes, & I have to undo to regain my path or start again, same diff. Or 3) there are times I can't even get the 'Roughen Parts Of Paths' to work --at all.
Regarding my crashes, know that I NEVER even got as far as these AI drawings before Inkscape crashed, using Tweak, Node, Text... but so far in what I've done those crashes have subsided.
Per the Cloud, if I understood Brynn correctly, it's not STORAGE, it's the Window OS, that will be cloud-based & she seems to be confirming that... even if only part of the OS Yikes.
Yes, Apple's iCloud storage has been in play for a bit, I tend not to use iCloud too much, between my Mac, iPhone, iPad, iPods, the storage was sucked up in a NANO second (ha, ha an older iPod iPunn!!). And for Business (MOST all of my files are Vector & Raster), I've used corporate VPN's, not as public if you will. Also, I personally have HAD issues with virtual storage while traveling for business abroad, certain countries do block access to things we take for granted, & I do mean WORK related, so I tend to take a thumb drive with me as a plan B, they're plenty small physically & best to be prepared.
"The Cloud is the Cloud. Just a monster file server in a big building, in a city somewhere." <----- Just like the WWW
@Moini, you're welcome, hopefully, other Mac users will find it helpful too.
@Brynn, OHHHH, of course, YES, Programmers, Developers DO indeed tend to be Male... I never knew that until I dated one. But unfortunately, lots of industries are like that. Funny I thought it meant inclusive of different OSs! :duh:
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There is no cloud. It's just a fancy term for 'someone else's computer'.
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Thanks, Brynn, for that hint. It's correct, Windows has another mechanism of marking a file as hidden than macOS and Linux do.
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Oh yes, that mode of the Tweak tool can create massive numbers of nodes very quickly! I'm not surprised about crashes while using that. Adjusting the Fidelity setting might help. But might also not give the effect you want. Yes, it's buggy for me too. Doesn't always want to work. (RAM is probably the limiting factor. But no matter how much RAM someone has, it's still possible to find or create files that challenge it.)
Are you familiar with this way to get a jagged path? First make a lot of new nodes. Either use Extensions menu > Modify Path > Add Nodes, or do it using the Add Nodes button. And then Extensions menu > Modify Path > Jitter Nodes. I find I have more control using that method. I can also think of a more manual way to make a jagged path, but would take more time.
As far as I understand, the cloud part of Windows will be more than just storage. Even in Windows 10, they already pressure you to use the cloud storage....I forget what it's called, but they really push you to use it. To me, the whole cloud thing, I mean with Windows os (not "the cloud" in general) is too Big Brother. I wouldn't be surprised if they make it like a subscription, too. Count me out!
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The changes are online now: https://inkscape.org/learn/faq/?edit_off=true#how-install-new-extensions-palettes-document-templates-symbol-sets-icon-sets-etc
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Yes, understood this Tweak tool creates massive nodes, as does the AI Warp tool. But I don't know if this is a RAM thing with MY computer, I have created files like this in AI, I have since opened my AI files with these massive amounts of nodes IN INKSCAPE and have been able to manipulate them in Inkscape --no problem.
Attached are both the same single AI file opened in Inkscape where I've deleted ALL except the parts created with AI's WARP tool for 2 reasons, my designs are under NDA & those parts are much less complex, fewer nodes. But I CAN open these entire AI files in Inkscape, work in them with no crash... check out the amounts of nodes I work with here, & again this is not the entire file. One shows the work, the other shows all the NODES selected, just to give you an idea.
No, I have not tried the Jitter Nodes, but I will try to see what kind of effect I can achieve. TY.
OH so agree!! The cloud, (yes, someone else's computer) in general IS Big BROTHER! God knows WHAT they're looking at, how private it is, or WHAT they copy, lose etc. Not a huge fan, they don't need their hands on every bit out there. Just my 2˘.
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I don't think it's the number of nodes by itself, that causes the crash. I've had a similar experience to you, where I can handle large number of nodes. But it's something about the Tweak tool. Maybe the speed of the requests it makes of Inkscape has something to do with it? You know, how many nodes are created in single move of the mouse with that tool? But in any case, I've had crashes with the Tweak tool, using the Roughen mode, when I didn't have especially a lot of nodes.
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Note that I've split the last few messages here into their own topic, since it's a completely different subject than the original: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php?topic=1616.0