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ProTouch
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Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby ProTouch » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:36 am

Hi 've read the forums pretty thoroughly for a solution to this ... so i'm looking for help from some of you experts ... =)

I built a logo in inkscape then added 3 effects ... drop shadow, specular light and finally diffuse light ... what i need to do now is save it or export it into a format that can be opened in illustrator and at least include the shape of the shadow in the vector file ...

i'll include the actual file in case anyone needs to take a look at it or has any suggestions or questions ...

Thanks for any and all help you may be able to provide.

Here is the file below

1 Logo Resized specular diffuse shadow Good.svg
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Re: Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby BobSongs » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:38 pm

Welcome to our forum, ProTouch. =)

According to Wikipedia:
Adobe Illustrator supports both the import and export of SVG images. When writing SVG files it has the option to embed a copy of the associated proprietary Illustrator format for later editing. This often results in changes being lost if another editor is used where after the file is reopened in Illustrator because it ignores everything but the embedded Illustrator file.


The joys of working with proprietary software. Nevertheless, it seems Adobe's Illustrator does work with the SVG format.

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Re: Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby ProTouch » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:35 am

Thanks for the welcome BobSongs .... very much appreciated ...=)

Yeah i can get part of the image to show up in illustrator ... but not with the effects that i mention above which are extremely important.

I've tried using the trace bitmap function but it basically does nothing .... lol it just sits there I apologize for being such a noob with this stuff.... but oh well... =)

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Re: Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby BobSongs » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:18 pm

So, the SVG that Inkscape produces doesn't look the same in Illustrator.

Have you tried exporting the SVG to a PNG format?

File > Export Bitmap

Then choose the correct settings. If this dialog box is new and you want a hand with it for exporting, let us know. While it's obvious to me how it works, that may not be the case all-round.

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Re: Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby PatJr » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:11 am

for my 2 cents here, I don't think you can get that "open" in anything except inkscape, and it might even be version specific
I like the textures and shadows, looks cool on screen
I'd experiment with it some but the little I did opening it swamped my swap and chocked my box to a crawl.
I think the png route is your best solution at this point

as a side, you might want to render up a simplified version of your logo for duplication process that don't support as wide a color as rgb

IMHO
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Re: Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby chriswww » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:45 am

all those textures and effects are actually bitmap effects. So you will likely have to export the whole thing as a png...and it will no longer be editable as a vector in illustrator.
I'm sometimes thinking to myself why people choose inkscape (and inherently svg format also) to do things like logos that are meant to look like some photorealistic 3d effect or similar. It's nice that inkscape does have some of that capability and you can still move things around because the shape is still a vector whilst in inkscape....however i think sometimes it could be taking things to far with inkscape, and might be better off using gimp or even a raytracing program instead, which provide heaps of photorealistic textures and 3d bevels, or even true 3d construction in the first place in the case of raytracing.
i'm all for pushing the boundaries, but i do wonder if sometimes it's a case of diminishing returns for effort. maybe use the svg as a starting point for proof of concept..but switch to entirely different app and re-create with the bitmap app features.

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Re: Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby ~suv » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:08 pm

I can't comment about which features of SVG 1.1 are fully supported by current versions of Adobe Illustrator.
BobSongs wrote:Have you tried exporting the SVG to a PNG format?

File > Export Bitmap
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PatJr wrote:I'd experiment with it some but the little I did opening it swamped my swap and chocked my box to a crawl.

Just adding this note: creating a different file format which does rasterize SVG filter effects is likely to fail with default (dpi) settings (exporting a bitmap at 90 dpi, or saving a copy as PDF/PS/EPS of the provided sample Logo design): the design uses a huge (really huge!) page size (for a logo design) of 340.40 x 163.20 inches (this corresponds to 8.65 x 4.14 meters, or 30636.16 x 14687.99 px). I didn't even try to start exporting a bitmap at the default dpi of 90 (would not try with the stable version, nor with the current development tree) - not with several merged (partially complex) predefined SVG filter effects like applied which are slow to redraw on-canvas even in the latest development builds which uses the new cairo-renderer.

Exporting a bitmap with 10dpi or below works reasonably fast for testing (resulting PNG size about 3400x1600 px or smaller). Exporting a PDF file keeping page size while reducing the dpi for the rasteriziation of the filter effects to a manageable size (e.g. 5.0) doesn't really make sense unless you need to create a print file to be output for a large billboard.

If PDF export is aimed at (to be opened/further edited in AI), I'd probably recreated the logo at a more reasonable scale (page size), and then increase the dpi for rasterization to 300 (for printing).

ProTouch wrote:and at least include the shape of the shadow in the vector file ...
See also the topic «Saving Shadows in PDF» which has some tips how to keep e.g. the black outlines (stroke) of the text objects as vectors in the PDF file.

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Re: Need Help... searching for any solution

Postby BobSongs » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:56 am

I suppose it depends on a few factors.

First: my primary operating system isn't Windows, it's Linux. So my choices for graphic editing software on a professional level depend on what the OpenSource community offers.

Second: I'd have to agree that while Inkscape's purpose is to help designers and artists produce SVG for the Internet, I've thought more recently that I wish there were two forks of Inkscape: One that produced, essentially, SVG without any filters or effects not directly supported by browsers. The other fork, the one that would be of greater interest to me, a full-fledged competitor with CorelDRAW -- that happened to use SVG as its base, but produced far richer content that SVG could produce (animation, 3D, these things that many have asked for in the past).

I know my ideas won't be appreciated by some. And I'm not suggesting adding a ton of work to the Inkscape crew. I'm sure they're quite over worked as it is. It's just one of those "if I had my 'druthers'" things. That's all. I've felt that Inkscape had more potential than what SVG allowed it to do. And clearly Inkscape does go beyond SVG somewhat if it's not being pulled into Illustrator with all its special effects.


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