Hand icon

Pesho · Postby **Pesho** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:03 am

I noticed this was added in the newer versions - how do i get rid of the hand icon that comes up when i hover over something?

Postby **brynn** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:28 am

If I understand what you're talking about, the hand icon is only associated with the Selection tool. And it serves to tell you when you are correctly positioned over an object to select it. Why is it a problem for you? Maybe there is another solution besides getting rid it. And no, there's no way to get rid of it...that I know of.

~suv · Postby **~suv** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:32 am

Pesho wrote:I noticed this was added in the newer versions - how do i get rid of the hand icon that comes up when i hover over something?

The tool cursor symbols are compiled in and cannot be changed at runtime by the user (you'd need to get the source code, edit the xpm files and recompile Inkscape yourself).

Announcement of the new cursor symbols on the developers' mailing list: NEW: mouseover cursors in Selector

Pesho · Postby **Pesho** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:07 pm

brynn wrote: Why is it a problem for you?

It's just an ugly icon that is way too huge and offsets the visual center of the cursor to the lower right when precision is needed. If it were something with roughly the same size like the cursor for editing bezier curves ( :tool_node:

), it wouldn't be an issue. Why cant the cursor icons be loaded from standalone files? Who decides what icons are going to be used? What looks good for some can be an eyesore for others.

Postby **brynn** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:51 pm

Ah, I understand. For some people, the visual appearance is much more important than for others. I have seen a couple of ways to change the visual theme, but I don't know if it changes the cursor. There is one way with Linux, and another way with Windows. I haven't tried it, though, so can't recommend.

As for selection precision, I often use the Node tool, and then after I've selected something, press S key to switch to Selection tool. Or I just zoom.

I'll have to admit, that it would be nice to have different themes for Inkscape (or so-called "skins"). If I knew anything about coding, I think it would be fun to write some. But alas :-(

Pesho · Postby **Pesho** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:40 pm

For some people, the visual appearance is much more important than for others.

Well, it's just that particular icon

For raster editing i use Paint Shop Pro 9, and there is an option in the settings called "Precise Cursor" that replaces all cursors with a small circle. It would be great to have themes etc., i think GTK normally had some theme support, but only on Linux... It sucks having to recompile the whole thing because of one lousy graphic file...

~suv · Postby **~suv** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:48 pm

Pesho wrote:Who decides what icons are going to be used? What looks good for some can be an eyesore for others

Did you read my earlier comment (and the discussion on the mailing list I linked to)?

You could always vote for this feature request at launchpad if you prefer the proposal there to the current symbol

(You can vote for it by clicking on the 'Does this bug affect you too?' link - requires to be registered and logged in at Launchpad which Inkscape uses as tracker for bugs and feature requests.)

Here's how the cursor symbol looks like in my local builds (with the patch for an alternative cursor symbol of the select tool applied):

Pesho · Postby **Pesho** » Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:41 pm

~suv wrote:Did you read my earlier comment (and the discussion on the mailing list I linked to)?

Because of the small font, i thought it was a forum signature and ignored it

Your proposal may look a little prettier, but it doesn't address the issue i have with the icon. There is still a symbol floating next to the cursor that offsets the visual center. If i were to design it, the cursor would simply turn black when it hovers over an object. Or not change at all - i don't particularly care for this type of "hinting".

I'd like to vote for your proposal, but the design there isn't any better. If you ask different people, they will give you different opinions about it, so no icon is perfect. The best solution would be just to have it work without the need to recompile. This is good for icons too.

Postby **brynn** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:28 am

If i were to design it,....

Of course, if you have the skills, you're more than welcome to design things and submit to developers (via mailing list).

Pesho · Postby **Pesho** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:57 am

That's not the point, some may not like what i make. Are they supposed to nag the devs at the mailing list too?

Postby **druban** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:56 pm

Amazing that I was so unobservant as to not even notice the cursor until now! But actually I think that it has a nice function in outline view and that I may be unconsciously using it to know when i am over the object's outline to drag or select it...

...offsets the visual center of the cursor to the lower right when precision is needed

I don't find this to be the case in use... The hand is nicely away from the tip of the arrow, which I would expect to be, and is, the precise point of selection. In fact I don't see that the apex of an arrow is any less precise than an x ... Just my two bits.

Pesho · Postby **Pesho** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:34 pm

Well yeah, if you failed to notice it in the first place, then there is no way it can be a problem for you...

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