Spaces between Letters/Lines

cre8ive kos · Postby **cre8ive kos** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:38 pm

Hy together...

First: Please forgive me if and when I don´t always use the right words.
But the german forum is.. Well let´s say it´s not usable for new users...

My problem is the following...
I wanna create another "keep calm shirt" (no we don't have already enough of them :lol:

).
Therefor I have to set the "and" in smaller letters and maybe a different font type.
But when I change the size of the font the lines/spaces between them get different.

My opinion is that it is calculated by the majority of the fonts (in my example the bigger ones are 144 and the smaller "and" is set to bee 100) ..
How do I get the exact same space between the lines?

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I tryed "distance betwenn the lines" in the upper menun bar and the tools on the second picture but all I get is that either ALL lines change or NONE of them...

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Might sound like a simple and silly question but for a tech noob some little creative ideas (bad combination I know ^^) like me it is a major task ^^

So PLEASE...

Keep Calm And Help ME ^^

Thanks a lot

Xav · Postby **Xav** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:34 pm

For this particular situation, where there is very little text to deal with, I would split each line into a separate object (Extensions > Text > Split Text can help with this). Then you just have to select all the text objects and use the Align & Distribute dialog to position them - in your screenshot of the dialog it would be the fourth button on the fourth row of buttons you need to use to get the vertical spacing between objects to be equal.

Polygon · Postby **Polygon** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:51 pm

cre8ive kos wrote:Hy together...
First: Please forgive me if and when I don´t always use the right words.
But the german forum is.. Well let´s say it´s not usable for new users...

What are you talking about? You haven´t even try to open a thread yet!
(Was redest Du da? Du hast ja nicht mal versucht eine Frage zu stellen.)

Cheers
P. (Moderator @inkscape-forum.de)

Moini · Postby **Moini** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:58 pm

Polygon, we both know that the German forum is far from ideal.
What works really well is that people get really good help in their own language, which is invaluable.
But they don't get emails and they cannot upload pictures, and the website has an invalid certificate, so browsers try to protect users from visiting the page which they deem 'insecure'. I can understand cre8ive kos's frustration (but I understand yours, too).

cre8ive kos · Postby **cre8ive kos** » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:01 pm

Polygon wrote:What are you talking about? You haven´t even try to open a thread yet!
(Was redest Du da? Du hast ja nicht mal versucht eine Frage zu stellen.)

Cheers
P. (Moderator @inkscape-forum.de)

Well I did... So please don´t tell me I´m telling lies..
All it does is to save the draft and responding with some error-code.
As a plus it keeps asking me to confirm my e-mail.

As a mod of that page you should know about those issues which are written down in the first thread "Neuanmeldung: Probleme mit Thema-/Beitragserstellung"...
A now five years old thread by the way...

Any USABLE info from you?

Polygon · Postby **Polygon** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:28 am

cre8ive kos wrote:Well I did... So please don´t tell me I´m telling lies..
All it does is to save the draft and responding with some error-code.
As a plus it keeps asking me to confirm my e-mail.

As a mod of that page you should know about those issues which are written down in the first thread "Neuanmeldung: Probleme mit Thema-/Beitragserstellung"...
A now five years old thread by the way...

Any USABLE info from you?

You may have tried - but it´s not recorded anywhere - see screenshot:

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I just established a new account and I was able to answer and start a new thread without issues - even the "confirmation email" nag screen can be successfully ignored.
And I´m just one moderator and don´t tell me what I should know about it or not as I´m neither the owner nor admin of that forum and don´t experience the issues you have obviously.
All the best.
P.

Postby **brynn** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:39 pm

Xav's suggestions should probably work for you. But there are other ways to align text.

First, if you choose Align Center on the control bar, and you type the text all in one object, (pressing Enter after each word, Enter acts like the old Return key on typewriters) the words will automatically be centered to each other.

However, if you want the words to have different fonts and/or sizes, you'll have to make each word to be its own object. Or in other words, type one word at a time. Start a new text object for each word.

In case you accidentally created flowed text, as many newbies seem to do, here's some info on that. If you dragged a little box with the text tool, before you started typing, you have created flowed text. For this purpose, you probably don't need flowed text. Instead, click once on the canvas with the Text tool, and then just start typing. Do that for each word, and you will be able to give each word a different size and/or font. Even typing one word at a time, you should still set them all for Align Center.

Here's how you can align them. By using Align Center, it puts the text's anchor in the center of each word. When you select the text with the Selection tool, you can see the anchor, which is a tiny square. Drag out a vertical guide. Then using Snapping, you can snap each word to the guide, and they will be aligned. Here's the info on snapping, and the info on Guides is just below that. http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL ... pping.html (I'm not sure if there is a German translation of the manual, but there might be.)

Polygon · Postby **Polygon** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:31 pm

And I was sure he was talking about equal line space not vertically alignment.
If you put different font sizes in a text block you´ll get different line spaces - naturally. (I tested 6 apps and all behave the same way)
But you can equate the distances with duplicated helper objects (red blocks). Then put it under the line you want to adjust - select line with text tool and adjust the line space accordingly - and so on:

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Cheers
P.

Postby **brynn** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:34 pm

For the suggestions I made, there is no text block, because I suggested regular text as opposed to flowed text, and individual text objects for each word. The line space is determined by where you place the text along the vertical guide. I didn't explain the spacing because cre8ive kos has already discovered the Align and Distribute dialog, which should be sufficient (unless there are circumstances we haven't heard about yet).

In any case, this is one of the many situations where Inkscape provides more than one or 2 ways to accomplish a particular goal. Often there is no "best" way - it comes down to personal preference. For myself, I would probably "eyeball it", and nudge the lines using the up and down arrow keys. But you could also place the text using horizontal guides, and snap the text to the intersections of guides.

Polygon · Postby **Polygon** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:17 pm

Sure - there are always more ways to skin a cat.
If one can live with a bunch of text-boxes align&distribute is easy enough.
But when you have a certain line space in mind or want to change the font of many text objects at once is another story of course.

Cheers
P.

Moini · Postby **Moini** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:14 pm

@Polygon:

Inkscape 0.92 (which unfortunately isn't available for your system :-(

) offers an option to have equal line spacings for all the text, no matter the font size.

See also:
http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php ... ne_Spacing
and for background info:
http://tavmjong.free.fr/blog/?p=1632
and a screenshot of the relevant tool bar part:
http://i.imgur.com/hfZRatT.png

Polygon · Postby **Polygon** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:37 am

@Moini
That is good news and I don´t know of any app that can maintain spacing with different font sizes inside text-blocks.

Don´t want to sound picky but from my quick experience it isn´t that precise:

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Cheers
P.

Moini · Postby **Moini** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:53 am

How did you test, Polygon? Do you have an svg?

Postby **brynn** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:26 am

Polygon wrote:Sure - there are always more ways to skin a cat.
If one can live with a bunch of text-boxes align&distribute is easy enough.
But when you have a certain line space in mind or want to change the font of many text objects at once is another story of course.

I don't see that as a problem. In this case we're just talking about 5 words. If you want to change the font for 3 words, just select the 3 text objects that you want to change, and change them all at once. If the font is significantly different size, it will change the line spacing. But there doesn't seem to be any way to avoid that, whether you have separate text objects or all in one text box. It's just with separate text objects, it's easy to fix the line spacing.

Polygon · Postby **Polygon** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:51 pm

brynn wrote:... just select the 3 text objects that you want to change, and change them all at once.

Damn - I always forgot about shift+cmd+T. :oops:

Cheers
P.

Polygon · Postby **Polygon** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:03 pm

Moini wrote:How did you test, Polygon? Do you have an svg?

It´s the X11/XQuartz 0.92 version from the official site.
Maybe I´m not using it correctly or miss a step or two.
I have to make a new one as I don´t saved the other one:

Cheers
P.

tylerdurden · Postby **tylerdurden** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:26 pm

brynn wrote:... just select the 3 text objects that you want to change, and change them all at once.

Handy button in the controls too:

Moini · Postby **Moini** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:57 am

@Polygon: Hope this helps clear things up a bit with those new buttons. (I also don't understand everything, but at least a little)

Postby **brynn** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:30 pm

tylerdurden wrote:
brynn wrote:... just select the 3 text objects that you want to change, and change them all at once.

Handy button in the controls too:

Oh, I wasn't aware of that button. I thought it was part of the new text features, which somehow group similar fonts together in families (or something like that). I'm not a huge fan of those changes, so I never would have even tested it out of curiosity.

Hhm...I guess it IS part of the new font family features after all. So it doesn't select all text objects with the same font. It sounds like it might select other fonts too, if they are in the same family. But in many cases, it would still be very helpful.

tylerdurden · Postby **tylerdurden** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:22 pm

brynn wrote: Oh, I wasn't aware of that button. I thought it was part of the new text features, which somehow group similar fonts together in families (or something like that). I'm not a huge fan of those changes, so I never would have even tested it out of curiosity.

Hhm...I guess it IS part of the new font family features after all. So it doesn't select all text objects with the same font. It sounds like it might select other fonts too, if they are in the same family. But in many cases, it would still be very helpful.

Notice the Text and Font dialog (panel) in the post above where it indicates "Font family".

When you select a "font" in Inkscape, you are selecting the family that includes normal, bold, italic, etc. that reside on the system as separate fonts.

So, if one uses the handy button it will select all the text in the same font, including bold, italic, narrow, etc.

Fonts often come in groups of related faces that all belong to the same family. For example, the group for the family ‘Nimbus Roman No9 L’ consists of the faces Regular, Regular Italic, Medium, and Medium Italic...

Inkscape does not always access all the styles in the family (yet).
http://tavmjong.free.fr/blog/?p=822

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