On the attached example of clone tiling, when I adjust the master tile



e.g. by size, the clones follow:



but if I Ungroup the master tile and adjust one of the objects within, the clones fail to follow:



How may I overcome this?

If I attempt to clone a selection of objects instead of a group object, Create Tiles Clones, Create does nothing.

Thanks.

Don't ungroup the master tile. By double clicking on it, you can edit it as it was ungrouped, while technically it is still a group of objects -and all the clones will follow.

Lazur URH wrote:Don't ungroup the master tile. By double clicking on it, you can edit it as it was ungrouped

Thanks - that works.

Interesting that when I double-click a normal object it shows the rotation handles, but when I double-click a group object it shows nothing, despite entering this special mode. Is there some indication I have missed? Here it the UI looks like the normal "nothing selected" mode.

When double clicking on a group slowly, the rotation handles show up. When double clicking on the group -as clicking on an icon-, you enter the group for furhter selecting and editing. When you entered the group, click on the object of the group that you want to edit just as it wasn't in a grouped object. When you are finished with it, select an object outside of the group.
If this is confusing, then use the node editor tool to select a path in the group. If you want to simple transfom it instead of editing the path, then press Space. Then again, if you don't want to edit it more, select an object out of the group.

Thanks. I take then that there is no indication of this special mode.

Lazur URH wrote:When you are finished with it, select an object outside of the group.

And if there is no object outside the group?

chrisjj wrote:Thanks. I take then that there is no indication of this special mode.

Lazur URH wrote:When you are finished with it, select an object outside of the group.

And if there is no object outside the group?

The indication of this 'mode' is shown in the status bar text, and also in the layer box next to it. As you can see, in Inkscape layers are groups and vice versa. This shows up here, even if you don't have to deal with the concept in everyday use. The top bar says I have selected a group that exists at the root level of my canvas (not on another layer) but not opened it. The second bar says I have opened it, but not clicked on anything, and the third bar shows that i have selected a rectangle in the group.



Double-clicking is different from clicking twice. Any object when doubleclicked should switch to the tool used to edit it - nodetool for normal paths and shape tools for shapes.

An alternative/better way to enter a group is to press ctrl-enter, and to exit it with ctrl-backspace. This is really the only way to exit that I can think of if there are no other objects on your canvas!

Also you can ctrl-click to select and edit an object in a group without actually entering the group. If you subsequently click any other object in the group you will find yourself back outside and the group selected.

Have you looked at the online manual resources, especially this lovely page? I'm not new to Inkscape but I still look at it often. It's also accessible from the drop down help in the most updated form for your version.
You will always get prompt help in the forum, but the resources in the help menu are instant...

druban wrote:The indication of this 'mode' is shown in the status bar text

Not here. When nothing is selected Status bar is this when outside the special mode:

and this when in the special mode:

druban wrote:and also in the layer box next to it.

Ah yes, I see a change there. But the special mode is indicated only by the appearance of a space displacing the text rightward, it seems.

druban wrote:Double-clicking is different from clicking twice.

Understood - but when I said double-click I did mean double-click. (Non-group object seems to be interpreting double-click as two single clicks.)

druban wrote:An alternative/better way to enter a group is to press ctrl-enter, and to exit it with ctrl-backspace. This is really the only way to exit that I can think of if there are no other objects on your canvas!

Also you can ctrl-click to select and edit an object in a group without actually entering the group. If you subsequently click any other object in the group you will find yourself back outside and the group selected.

Thanks.

druban wrote:Have you looked at the online manual resources

I have (and I have bought the Guide on paper), but thanks for the reminder.

druban wrote:You will always get prompt help in the forum, but the resources in the help menu are instant...

I just looked in Help for an explanation of the 'current layer indicator' - none found.

I'm not criticizing you, sorry if you got that feeling. Some info here about the layer part of the status bar. several links to other parts of the manual, that you may have already read.

It is interesting that you say 'outside the special mode' but you still show a screengrab telling me that you are inside a group.
There's no two ways to read that - one screengrab says that you are in the group 2989 with nothing selected, and the other shot says that you are in the group 3011, with nothing selected. There is nothing to tell me, however, if 3011 is itself inside 2989 or at the same level... except for that very slight indent! From that i infer that 3011 is indeed inside 2989. (But I would not generally try to see an indent that little). If you are outside all groups, the layer indcator should say (root) or '·Layer N' or '·somenameyougaveit'.
This, for instance tells me that I am inside group 31 and i have selected 1 rectangle and one group. It does not tell me whether group 31 is within another group or not. If I were to doubleclick on the group I have selected I would be in another group and I would have to popup the layers to see where I was.
This tells me I am in group 13 which is inside group 18 which is inside group 24, and nothing is currently selected.

chrisjj wrote:Understood - but when I said double-click I did mean double-click. (Non-group object seems to be interpreting double-click as two single clicks.)

This is anomalous behavior. Doubleclicking an object should put you in edit mode, that is, switch you to the for paths and to the appropriate tool for other objects, e.g. the rectangle tool if you doubleclicked on a rectangle. are you using some input device other than a standard mouse, like a gaming mouse or a graphic tablet? sometimes these devices don't catch a double click because of their high resolution and the tiniest hand movement. Or you might have to set your mouse control panel to a slower speed to catch your doubleclick.
Once again no criticism intended.