| ted | Howdy folks ==== START MEETING ==== Agenda: | 18:01 |
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| Mc | \u0001ACTION is generating windows installers\u0001 | 18:01 |
| ted | SFC Items (ted) Student programs (Outreachy, GSoC, etc) ( @Tav ) Developer meeting update (Mc) Vectors update ( @ryangorley ) Infrastructure update ( @doctormo ) Security Key Program (Mc) AI Import Improvement ( ? ) Current Votes Status Next Meeting: Jan 6, 2022 I'll start off talking about SFC stuff, but I don't have much of an update as I've been not feeling well. | 18:02 |
| joneuhauser | @ted I can report about the AI Import project. | 18:03 |
| ted | But we have an overview from SFC: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2466970 @joneuhauser, great! That has the Paypal data as of 11/30 so it is pretty up-to-date on donations. | 18:03 |
| Mc | there is also an upcoming discussion about a pre-release bugfix program | 18:04 |
| ted | I haven't updated the other spreadsheet, but it looks like we're going to be slightly over our estimated $75K in donations. Mc, Cool, I'll add that after the import updated | 18:04 |
| Mc | (also I'd ask @RdH if we have estimates for the cost and number of attendees for the germany hackfest) | 18:05 |
| ted | I don't have any other SFC things, they're doing their fundraiser so they're kinda busy, but happy to facilitate any questions over there. Next up, we have Student Programs with @Tav who said he may not make it. I don't think there's much going on there, does anyone have anything on student programs? | 18:05 |
| Mc | well, gsoc officially ended and the next year program was announced https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline | 18:06 |
| ted | Ah, I didn't see that. When do we need to submit our project to be considered? | 18:07 |
| Mc | (org applications open on Jan 23) and deadline is after FOSDEM | 18:07 |
| ted | Okay, looks like a simpler timeline this year, that's good. | 18:08 |
| Mc | similar to last year iirc | 18:08 |
| ted | I thought there was multiple contributor schedules last year, not seeing that this year. | 18:09 |
| Mc | flexibility in project length should be kept https://opensource.googleblog.com/2022/11/get-ready-for-google-summer-of-code-2023.html "we are keeping the big changes we made this year," | 18:10 |
| ted | Ah, okay. Frankly I think it made the whole thing more confusing. But, not my program :-) | 18:11 |
| Mc | (the main change is that they are increasing eligibility to newcomers in open source + students) (instead of just newcomers in open source (this year) or just students (all previous editions)) | 18:11 |
| ted | Okay, makes sense. Next up: Developer meeting update (Mc) | 18:12 |
| Mc | all is good - some discussions about project investments into code, namely the import project (voted) or a bugfixing season + many gtk stuff next point release is on its way | 18:13 |
| ted | Nice, is there a date set? | 18:14 |
| Mc | Dec 5th, normally (but tagging is already done) | 18:15 |
| ted | Ah, cool. | 18:16 |
| Mc | if you have snapping improvements to make, tell me :p | 18:16 |
| ted | Okay, I think we have the bigger things you mentioned further down in the agenda, so I'm going to move to: Vectors update ( @ryangorley ) Mc: I have one fix I wanted to look into, but it isn't critical. I need to do an update for security updates in deps, so I'll wait for the point release on that. I think we may be missing @ryangorley, is there any other Vectors folks here? Uhg, are there... Okay, moving on: Infrastructure update ( @doctormo ) Haven't seen a comment by Martin either this morning, so he may be out as well. | 18:16 |
| doctormo | Spam bits his the website forum day before yesterday. The moderation team held firm, nothing got through, 150 accounts banned. | 18:20 |
| doctormo | bots* | 18:20 |
| Mc | He was tweaking poppler stuff earlier ^^ | 18:20 |
| doctormo | Small modification to help with adding new filtering words to clear out the backlog on request from forum moderators. | 18:21 |
| ted | @doctormo, uhg, glad they're banned, sucks we have to deal with that. | 18:21 |
| scislac[m] | LOL, was confused about the bits... wasn't sure if it's a 1/8 a bot situation. ;) | 18:21 |
| ted | It's a British-ism, like it is how they count bots in metric. | 18:22 |
| doctormo | Small fix to mastodon support too, to make it easier for people to rel="me" from their website galleries. | 18:22 |
| doctormo | metric my foot | 18:22 |
| ted | Ah, nice. Is that for Mastodon folks? | 18:22 |
| doctormo | Yes | 18:22 |
| ted | Cool, I've been wondering if we should send some money to Mastodon.art for our account there. | 18:23 |
| doctormo | You can see an example on my profile here: https://fosstodon.org/@doctormo green confirmed etc. | 18:23 |
| doctormo | Wasn't there a broad agreement to do that? pono mentioned they could do it if we asked them to. | 18:23 |
| ted | I wasn't in the conversation where there was broad agreement, but happy to figure it out if we want to. | 18:24 |
| pono | Yes, as I mentioned I can setup a recurring donation to someone for you. | 18:24 |
| doctormo | We should do more dev meeting style meetings, they're good for room counts. Also they have polls | 18:25 |
| ted | What were people thinking? $5/mo? | 18:25 |
| doctormo | For a person, but for us, I say $20 at least. | 18:25 |
| doctormo | Do they go through Patreon ted? | 18:26 |
| Mc | do they have an info page with their costs ? | 18:26 |
| Tav | Hi all! | 18:26 |
| ted | No, they do the OSS one.. I can't think of the name right now. | 18:27 |
| scislac[m] | Tav! | 18:27 |
| Mc | https://liberapay.com/Curator https://ko-fi.com/mastoart https://www.patreon.com/mastodonart | 18:28 |
| pono | They have KoFi, Patreon and Liberapay. Which all take credit card and so just let me know which one you'd like to use | 18:28 |
| doctormo | Anyone else got a sense of how much we should push to them? | 18:29 |
| ted | K, I'll put a vote together on that. | 18:29 |
| Mc | pono: whichever has less fees for recurring donations ? | 18:29 |
| ted | @doctormo, I was thinking I'd just put $5/10/20 in the vote and let people choose. | 18:29 |
| pono | Looks like ko-fi doesn't take a fee. (side note, Tav have you had a chance to sign and send the FSA yet? yours is the last we are waiting on and then we can have a PLC election) | 18:29 |
| Mc | (apparently patreon alone covers their hosting cost) | 18:30 |
| Tav | pono zo | 18:31 |
| doctormo | ted: Makes sense | 18:31 |
| Tav | pono, I'll do it this week. | 18:31 |
| Mc | if you're in france now you'll have to post it physically^^ | 18:32 |
| Tav | I'm in the US at the moment... do I still have to do it physically? | 18:32 |
| Mc | maybe not | 18:32 |
| ted | No, I don't think so. | 18:32 |
| pono | I think you can just sign and email it while you are here! | 18:32 |
| doctormo | My memory is Karen said no, but this is legal we should double check that in the history :-D | 18:32 |
| Mc | no that's my memory too I might be the only physical signature that needed shipping ^^ | 18:33 |
| ted | Cool, that'd be a great way to start off the new year, planning an election. K, heading back towards the agenda, Security Key Program (Mc) I think that's still a TODO though, no? | 18:33 |
| Mc | yup | 18:34 |
| ted | Okay, next I have: AI Import Improvement How are we doing there @joneuhauser ? | 18:34 |
| joneuhauser | We'll have the first meeting of the hiring team on monday. I hope that we can gather applications after that quickly | 18:35 |
| ted | Great, do we have a deadline for when they'll be due? We should make sure to get that info to Vectors. | 18:35 |
| joneuhauser | To be determined on monday. | 18:36 |
| joneuhauser | And yes. | 18:36 |
| ted | Cool, guessing ~month for submission and then review, so hopefully start Feb/Mar? | 18:36 |
| joneuhauser | Realistically, I'd leave most of december for the applications to come in, then screening them between the years. Feb/Mar sounds good. | 18:37 |
| pono | That sounds reasonable. | 18:37 |
| joneuhauser | If they work full time and start feb/mar, it could even get into 1.3 if it's good (it's just extensions). | 18:37 |
| ted | K, not trying to specify requirements just trying to ensure everyone is thinking about the same thing. | 18:37 |
| Mc | how long was the project in months ? that was my thinking too :D | 18:37 |
| joneuhauser | 1.5 months full time. I just wrote another importer for a similarly long specification using the same library, took me about 1.5 weeks full time. 6 weeks is more than enough. | 18:38 |
| ted | Considering it is an extension, it could probably reasonably land in 1.3.1 as well. (yes 1.3 is better, but just mentioning) | 18:38 |
| joneuhauser | It will be a submodule anyway. | 18:39 |
| ted | Cool, excited to hear more about that come the Jan PLC meeting :-) We've got lots of excitement for the new year. | 18:39 |
| joneuhauser | Hope to have substantial updates by then. I think the vote hasn't been closed officially yet though? | 18:40 |
| ted | Next up: Prerelease Bugfix program (Mc) | 18:40 |
| doctormo | ted: Did you get to working on your sponsorship refactoring ideas? | 18:40 |
| ted | @joneuhauser, oh, yes. good point. Mc, could you close those officially? @doctormo, not finished, I sent it out to those folks that are doing the online Inkscape work and they sent some comments about the pricing. Gonna try to get that feedback in as well. | 18:40 |
| doctormo | Great | 18:42 |
| Mc | ted: sure | 18:42 |
| pono | I've been meaning to take another look at the sponsorship treatment as well. I'll try and get feedback to you early next week | 18:42 |
| ted | pono, awesome, thanks! | 18:42 |
| Mc | Bugfix program is a proposal by @joneuhauser to hire three regular devs for a full month to make the release as good as possible | 18:43 |
| joneuhauser | The propsal is completed and ready to be voted on; don't think it makes sense to summarize it (badly). | 18:44 |
| Mc | sorry, I'm trying to find the email | 18:44 |
| scislac[m] | lol (I was going to start asking Qs) | 18:44 |
| joneuhauser | 22:01 yesterday | 18:45 |
| ted | K, I'm a bit worried that we should wait until we've done a bit of the AI Import just to get our feet wet. But happy to read through it. | 18:45 |
| joneuhauser | That's why this one is about hiring known, trusted people from the inside. AI is about contracting out stuff. It's complementary. | 18:46 |
| Mc | well it's different in the sense that candidates are already considered and contacted and don't need mentoring (sent) | 18:46 |
| ted | Eh, I think that actually makes it a lot harder. :-) | 18:47 |
| Mc | @joneuhauser why a hourly rate instead of a monthly rate, btw ? | 18:47 |
| joneuhauser | Mc, do you want me to post a link to the proposal? | 18:47 |
| scislac[m] | So we might be paying people to clean up work they didn't "polish" as volunteers? | 18:47 |
| pono | Mc Our contractors are always hourly rates. | 18:48 |
| Mc | ok | 18:48 |
| joneuhauser | Also because one of the three said there were not sure whether they'll be available for a full month in that time frame. (That's why there's contract option B ) | 18:48 |
| joneuhauser | [ ](https://chat.inkscape.org/channel/leadership_committee?msg=vHbKDj2XzSXmqFJvh) Possible. But mainly we use project funds to guarantee blockers get fixed in time. | 18:48 |
| ted | I think folks are gonna have to read it, most of the comments aren't going to be hot takes right now, which probably isn't useful. are going to be, aren't useful FYI, TDF is also dealing some with this (though they have a different charter): https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/916223/dd52f151666d0e92/ | 18:49 |
| joneuhauser | https://office.inkscape.org/nextcloud/index.php/s/4KNz5GnoMKCiY3M | 18:50 |
| Mc | they have different issues between collabora and tdf | 18:50 |
| joneuhauser | There's a comment in that direction at the end of the document. | 18:51 |
| pono | I'll be following the thread but also feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions or concerns. | 18:51 |
| Mc | (spent some time discussing with collabora folks at a conference recently) I have another board-related matter to discuss btw | 18:52 |
| ted | Okay, let's get the last agenda item you added in first ;-) Hackfest ( @RdH ) @RdH, do you have any additional hackfest details? | 18:53 |
| joneuhauser | Also feel free to reach out to me personally for any of the two contracting proposals. | 18:54 |
| ted | My only concern there is we need to start voting on details to get in the plane ticket purchase timeline from the SFC. I think it is 6 weeks? | 18:54 |
| pono | Just 2 weeks But sooner the better. | 18:55 |
| ted | Oh, really? Great. So we do have more time than I thought. | 18:55 |
| pono | https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-travel-policy.html | 18:55 |
| ted | But still, earlier is cheaper :-) | 18:55 |
| pono | And one thing I've been helping other projects with is booking travel, so you don't need to submit reimbursement (we are also considering travel stipends in the future, but haven't fully worked out how that might work). | 18:56 |
| ted | pono, great, I think that will work out better for a lot of folks. K, it seems like @RdH isn't available. Mc, what was your item? | 18:56 |
| Mc | About https://lists.inkscape.org/hyperkitty/list/inkscape-board@lists.inkscape.org/thread/W2N4MRYITRKQKHSEV6Z36PCPDXG7CZOJ/ - 3 years ago the board voted "allow reimbursement of up to 1250 USD to me for 10k stickers" - from the start the price was above that (and still is), and is currently 1.3k€ excl. VAT (22.5% incl fedex things) - 1700 USD - I'd still like to have stickers before fosdem, but not quite ready to pay 500 usd myself, so should we do a vote ? | 18:58 |
| ted | Sure, I think that's a good idea. | 18:59 |
| scislac[m] | I don't know why Bryce is the face of that, but I like it. | 18:59 |
| pono | And again, I'm more than happy to order those for you if it makes things easier. | 19:00 |
| ted | The only thing I'd suggest is that if pono is using his sticker budget for FOSDEM as well, go in together. Stickers get cheaper by a lot when you buy way too many. | 19:00 |
| pono | That's a good point. I'll figure out what we're printing and hopefully we can get those discounts | 19:00 |
| Mc | it's 1300 for 10k but 1800 for 9999 | 19:01 |
| ted | Mc: Also, do you want to ask Vectors if they want to do a special FOSDEM/Inkscape sticker? Might be cool. Not sure if anyone is up for that. It could be a "collectible" 🤣 | 19:01 |
| Mc | we'll need @c.rogers input but his recommendation was to have metallic 40*40mm brushed metallic vinyl sheets of stickers (on stickersinternational) @ted sure but not 10k then I was thinking stickers that we can use at many events ^^ | 19:01 |
| ted | Yeah, and probably not metallic if they're one-offs. But, yeah, either way I think we should do another vote because I'm pretty sure the RT ticket has expired on that. I think stickers are a great way to promote the project. K, so we've got our closing items and we're a bit over. Current Votes Status I don't think there are any once Mc closes the AI Import one (if he hasn't already) Expect votes on stickers and Mastodon.art in the next few days. Otherwise: Next Meeting: Jan 6, 2022 Anyone got anything before the close? ==== MEETING END ==== | 19:03 |
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