| Mc | board meeting in 10 minutes | May 04 09:50 |
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| Mc | o/ | May 04 10:00 |
| Tavmjong | ======= Inkscape Board Meeting ======= | May 04 10:00 |
| Tavmjong | Who is here? | May 04 10:00 |
| Mc | ScislaC: tedg: bryce_: ? | May 04 10:01 |
| Mc | (doctormon and crogers are not connected) | May 04 10:01 |
| Tavmjong | Just sent doctormon and crogers an email. | May 04 10:02 |
| Moini | Lol, did the same. | May 04 10:03 |
| tedg | Howdy, sorry, having some Wifi issues. | May 04 10:05 |
| Tavmjong | Hi tedg | May 04 10:05 |
| Mc | do we wait for more people to arrive ? | May 04 10:08 |
| Tavmjong | A little bit... | May 04 10:08 |
| Moini | Bryce definitely was planning to attend. | May 04 10:09 |
| bryce_ | hi | May 04 10:20 |
| Tavmjong | Hi bryce_ | May 04 10:20 |
| Mc | hi! | May 04 10:21 |
| *ryangorley Lurking in the shadows | May 04 10:22 | |
| *ryangorley listening intently | May 04 10:22 | |
| Tavmjong | Hi ryangorley! | May 04 10:22 |
| bryce | sorry, my wife wanted help with the voting and I totally lost track of time | May 04 10:22 |
| Mc | np :) | May 04 10:23 |
| ryangorley | Hey Tavmjong! (and all) :) | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | (she's running for a precinct position this election cycle) | May 04 10:23 |
| Mc | ryangorley: hey :) | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | Agenda: | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | ------- | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | * LGM Debrief | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | * Future meetings/hackfests. | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | + [https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC/2018 GUADEC 2018] - July 6th-11th | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | (Ameria, Spain) GTK conference | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | + [http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2019/ LGM 2019] - May 30th-June 3rd | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | (Saarbrucken, Germany) Proposed. (About two hours by train from | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | Paris.) | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | + SCALE | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | * Sponsorships | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | * Merchandise sales | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | + Spreadshirt [cr] | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | + Evaluate self-serve merchandise sales - spreadshirt, cafepress, | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | Golden Ribbon, Think Penguin or similar [Mc] | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | * Action items | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | * Other Business | May 04 10:23 |
| bryce | May 04 10:24 | |
| bryce | === LGM === | May 04 10:24 |
| tedg | bryce: Something like this? https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/trump-voting-new-york-2016.jpg | May 04 10:24 |
| bryce | so how'd the conference go? | May 04 10:24 |
| Tavmjong | Pretty good! | May 04 10:24 |
| bryce | tedg, precisely | May 04 10:24 |
| Tavmjong | It was rather small but there were enough Inkscape users to have some good discussions. | May 04 10:25 |
| Mc | It was nice, even with the sunburns | May 04 10:25 |
| Tavmjong | There weren't as many talks as in the past but that was OK... more time for discussions and hacking. | May 04 10:25 |
| Mc | lots of font-related discussions | May 04 10:25 |
| Mc | (and also SVG discussions w/ tav and the other SVG guy) | May 04 10:26 |
| Tavmjong | Some nice live demos of generating music and video on the fly. | May 04 10:26 |
| bryce | any interesting highlights of the hacking? | May 04 10:26 |
| Tavmjong | Yes, I had a great discussion with Liam who is the W3C contact for the SVG working group. | May 04 10:26 |
| bryce | oh interesting | May 04 10:27 |
| Tavmjong | I got Variable Fonts working in the GUI (a few buglets remain). | May 04 10:27 |
| tedg | Convince them to pick up the SVG spec again :-) | May 04 10:27 |
| Mc | I implemented a small change for filter effects regions (now resizable in GUI) and code isolation of 3rd party libs | May 04 10:27 |
| Tavmjong | The SVG spec is moving forward... perhaps not in the way we want but I did some strategizing with Liam. | May 04 10:28 |
| Tavmjong | jabier tried to implement external SVG support. He didn't get very far during the hackfest but has done it since. | May 04 10:28 |
| tedg | I'm more worried about after SVG2. We can only guess about what will happen, but I'm worried. | May 04 10:29 |
| bryce | we'll have to keep an eye on that, for sure | May 04 10:29 |
| Tavmjong | Mc and I went through the directory restructuring plan and he started some work. | May 04 10:29 |
| Tavmjong | We talked at Boston about having the next hackfest in Germany. LGM will be in Saarbrucken, Germany next year. | May 04 10:30 |
| bryce | yes, that leads us into our next topic | May 04 10:31 |
| bryce | anything else to mention of LGM before we move to that? | May 04 10:31 |
| Tavmjong | Not that I can think of... | May 04 10:32 |
| bryce | === Future meetings/hackfests === | May 04 10:33 |
| bryce | It's kind of ironic LGM is in germany, in that we had been talking about doing our next hackfest there already | May 04 10:33 |
| Moini | Yes - after watching the video, I had thought about offering to organize something in Kiel. | May 04 10:33 |
| bryce | I've been chatting offline with Moini about the potential of setting up something closer to where she is | May 04 10:33 |
| Moini | Not sure if that would then still be interesting. | May 04 10:34 |
| Tavmjong | I definitely think we should do in before/after the next LGM, whether it is in Saarbrucken or somewhere not too far away. | May 04 10:34 |
| Tavmjong | s/in/it/ | May 04 10:34 |
| Mc | ah, Kiel is like diagonally away from Sarrebrucken in germany | May 04 10:35 |
| Moini | Kiel is far away. | May 04 10:35 |
| Tavmjong | LGM should be far better organized next year as they are already way ahead in planning it that for the last couple LGMs. | May 04 10:35 |
| Moini | Been looking into train schedules, and it seems it can take about 10 to 15 hours to get there from/to Saarbrücken. | May 04 10:35 |
| *Tavmjong goes to look at map. | May 04 10:36 | |
| bryce | we did lgm and the hackfest separately this year, and I think it went pretty well that way | May 04 10:36 |
| Moini | Getting to Kiel directly is easier. Hamburg Fuhlsbüttel, then shuttle bus to Kiel station. | May 04 10:36 |
| Mc | Tavmjong: basically, denmark | May 04 10:36 |
| ryangorley | What part of Germany do you live in Moini? | May 04 10:37 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, didn't we have one year where lgm was in one place and the hackfest required travel? was that leeds? | May 04 10:37 |
| Tavmjong | bryce, Yes... but Leeds is only a few hours away by train. | May 04 10:37 |
| ryangorley | Or did you just say, Kiel. Oops. Sorry | May 04 10:37 |
| Moini | ryangorley : Northern, close to Hamburg. Maybe you know Kiel Canal. | May 04 10:38 |
| bryce | do we know anyone near Saarbrücken? | May 04 10:39 |
| Moini | I don't :-( | May 04 10:39 |
| Tavmjong | From Saarbrucken, it would probably be faster to go back to Paris and fly to Kiel. | May 04 10:39 |
| Tavmjong | If we approach the organizers early we can probably get them to help. | May 04 10:40 |
| Moini | lol, yes (or maybe there's a bus, that would be faster than train) | May 04 10:40 |
| Mc | maybe houz is near there ^^ | May 04 10:40 |
| houz | hush :) | May 04 10:41 |
| Moini | No, not faster... | May 04 10:41 |
| Moini | Are you, houz? | May 04 10:41 |
| houz | i am. 10 minutes by car | May 04 10:42 |
| tedg | It seems like we're edging to doing two events a year? Does that seem like it to other folks? | May 04 10:42 |
| bryce | tedg, I think so yes | May 04 10:42 |
| tedg | I'm curious if we should be thinking Fall or Spring. | May 04 10:42 |
| bryce | tedg, or three if you count SCALE | May 04 10:42 |
| Tavmjong | tedg, I don't think that is a bad idea... a North American centric one and a European centric one. | May 04 10:42 |
| tedg | Let Spring be LGM and then have Fall be something we do ourselves. | May 04 10:42 |
| Tavmjong | When is SCALE? | May 04 10:42 |
| tedg | Usually begining of March or so. | May 04 10:43 |
| Moini | houz is near Saarbrücken! :D | May 04 10:43 |
| Mc | yeah, he's in the organization of next LGM ^^ | May 04 10:43 |
| Moini | Lol, didn't know. | May 04 10:43 |
| bryce | oh! congratz houz and thanks for working on that | May 04 10:43 |
| bryce | tedg, I'm going to try and attend this next SCALE | May 04 10:44 |
| houz | i try to stay out of it as much as i can, but i fear i will be heavily involved | May 04 10:44 |
| bryce | houz, are there other Inkscapers in the area that you know of? | May 04 10:44 |
| houz | bye, i'm out for the evening | May 04 10:45 |
| houz | bryce: no | May 04 10:45 |
| doctormon | Hello | May 04 10:45 |
| Tavmjong | So SCALE and LGM are pretty close together... I think a Fall hackfest in the US would be better. | May 04 10:45 |
| Moini | Hi doctormon! | May 04 10:45 |
| doctormon | Thanks Moini | May 04 10:46 |
| doctormon | Tavmjong: Topic is events? | May 04 10:46 |
| Tavmjong | doctormon, Next hackfest(s) | May 04 10:46 |
| ryangorley | Maybe to do something closer to Moini we could do the Germany hackfest in the fall, rather than tethering to LGM. | May 04 10:46 |
| bryce | ryangorley, kind of what I'm thinking too | May 04 10:47 |
| Tavmjong | ryangorley, I wouldn't object. | May 04 10:47 |
| bryce | and could use LGM as a recruitment point to get more attendance at the fall event ;-) | May 04 10:48 |
| doctormon | Existing events do have networking opportunities. | May 04 10:48 |
| Moini | We have our Linux Tage in September. | May 04 10:48 |
| Tavmjong | Wouldn't a Kiel hackfest be before the next LGM? | May 04 10:48 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, oh, right... | May 04 10:49 |
| Tavmjong | Moini, What happens with Linux Tage? | May 04 10:49 |
| Moini | Three days of talks and workshops (but all rooms are full at that time) | May 04 10:50 |
| ryangorley | In Kiel or Hamburg? | May 04 10:50 |
| Moini | Kiel. Kieler Open Source und Linux Tage. | May 04 10:51 |
| Moini | Due to the rooms being booked, it couldn't be at the same time, although that would make sense... | May 04 10:52 |
| Moini | We've got less rooms this year, too. | May 04 10:52 |
| bryce | what if the hackfest was done either prior to or after that event, but back to back so attendees of one could attend the other easily? | May 04 10:52 |
| bryce | (I'm not proposing that specifically, just wondering if the venue would handle that) | May 04 10:53 |
| Tavmjong | We really just need a place with good WiFi and some tables and chairs. | May 04 10:54 |
| Moini | People who come to Linux Tage only come from Northern Germany. We do have WiFi and cable network (with very high bandwidth), tables, chairs, flipcharts, whiteboards, beamers... | May 04 10:55 |
| Moini | And we have routine in preparing the rooms with switches etc. | May 04 10:55 |
| Tavmjong | Sounds ideal. | May 04 10:55 |
| bryce | ok, good discussions, and sounds like we have a good rough plan. It's early enough we have plenty of time to plan. | May 04 10:56 |
| bryce | I'll follow up on the mailing list. | May 04 10:56 |
| Tavmjong | September is four months away so we shouldn't wait too long. | May 04 10:56 |
| bryce | yeah | May 04 10:56 |
| Moini | And a room needs to be available for a full week - I cannot guarantee that, need to ask if we have a time frame. | May 04 10:57 |
| bryce | ACTION: Start thread on mailing list to organize next steps for event planning 2018/2019 [bryce] | May 04 10:57 |
| bryce | also on the agenda under this topic was GUADEC | May 04 10:58 |
| bryce | Jul 6-11 in spain | May 04 10:58 |
| Tavmjong | I'm not sure that is as interesting after having contact with GTK experts in Boston. | May 04 10:58 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, ah ok | May 04 10:59 |
| Tavmjong | I would focus on Kiel. | May 04 10:59 |
| bryce | alright | May 04 10:59 |
| bryce | === Sponsorships === | May 04 11:00 |
| bryce | we're a bit short on time so don't want to dwell on this | May 04 11:00 |
| doctormon | ok | May 04 11:00 |
| Mc | there were two recent enquiries | May 04 11:00 |
| bryce | yes, there's been some good activity | May 04 11:00 |
| Mc | I would agree to have Signomatic as sponsor | May 04 11:01 |
| Mc | and for Couponobox there are just asking for details ? | May 04 11:02 |
| bryce | what details did they need? | May 04 11:02 |
| Mc | "I mean if you can tell me more about different Sponsorship conditions and it's advantages." | May 04 11:02 |
| Mc | basically what's on the website :p | May 04 11:02 |
| bryce | I have been short on time, but I guess they need a bit of follow up to get them landed | May 04 11:03 |
| bryce | I suspect some of our past sponsors might be up for renewing too | May 04 11:04 |
| bryce | there were also 2 or 3 that wished to contributed towards development | May 04 11:04 |
| doctormon | interesting | May 04 11:04 |
| Mc | do we have some process to "accept" sponsors or a point of contact for them ? | May 04 11:05 |
| bryce | I've been working a bit on that; I have traded some emails with Karen to get some paypal buttons set up (and to fix the hackfest-2015 button to not have a date) | May 04 11:05 |
| bryce | I'm going to be meeting for lunch with Bradley in a couple weeks. | May 04 11:06 |
| bryce | Conservancy sounds interested in helping us scale up sponsorships. Karen offered to join our meeting to work out more plans. | May 04 11:06 |
| bryce | Maybe next month or the month after | May 04 11:07 |
| Mc | :) | May 04 11:07 |
| tedg | Sounds good, I think that also Deb will be helping with some of that kind of stuff. | May 04 11:07 |
| bryce | Mc, we've discussed the former but there's no policy. The latter is starting to look like a more obvious need | May 04 11:07 |
| tedg | She might also help with some event stuff if we need a point of contact. | May 04 11:08 |
| bryce | tedg, cool. I don't think I've met her but sounds like some of you know her well already | May 04 11:08 |
| tedg | bryce: Yeah, we've had lunch a few times. I talked to Karen a bit about it at SCALE. | May 04 11:08 |
| tedg | It's hard to talk to Karen at conferences, she's hugely popular :-) | May 04 11:09 |
| bryce | I bet | May 04 11:09 |
| doctormon | Mc: The point of contact is the board | May 04 11:09 |
| bryce | well, she seems keen on helping us | May 04 11:09 |
| doctormon | bryce: Is New York or over where you are? | May 04 11:09 |
| bryce | hopefully we can make good use of her time | May 04 11:09 |
| bryce | doctormon, pardon? | May 04 11:09 |
| doctormon | bryce: Your lunch | May 04 11:10 |
| bryce | doctormon, oh lunch with Bradley here in Tigard | May 04 11:10 |
| doctormon | date | May 04 11:10 |
| doctormon | Aye cool | May 04 11:10 |
| bryce | ok, so much more to talk on sponsorship but think we need to move on | May 04 11:10 |
| doctormon | I should add that Deb has been involved with organising UX testing on inkscape before, she's keen on the project for sure :-) | May 04 11:11 |
| bryce | looks like Cr is missing so I'm going to skip merchandising for now, although I'd love to get an update on where we are with that | May 04 11:11 |
| bryce | === Action Items === | May 04 11:11 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, sorry I forgot to do the vote on the LGM dinner... did you guys still have it? Maybe we can still vote post-facto? | May 04 11:12 |
| Mc | we did not have a formal Inkscape dinner | May 04 11:12 |
| Mc | but food was pretty cheap | May 04 11:12 |
| bryce | ok good | May 04 11:12 |
| doctormon | Mc: Is anyone from LGM up for doing an article explaining the meeting? | May 04 11:12 |
| Mc | maybe I can do it this sunday | May 04 11:13 |
| bryce | the other action item was Outreachy. I still have that on my todo but I saw we aren't near an application date so backburnered it a bit. | May 04 11:13 |
| ryangorley | Tavmjong wrote something on Patreon. I was going to use that as part of an article highlighting both hackfests. | May 04 11:13 |
| doctormon | Mc: Would be very useful to keep up the momentum. | May 04 11:14 |
| ryangorley | Could use more info from others that were there though, like mc | May 04 11:14 |
| Mc | bryce: well, it never hurts to be in advance | May 04 11:14 |
| Mc | early* | May 04 11:14 |
| doctormon | ryangorley: Ah now I know what you meant in the issue tracker, I would like one article for each if possible. I was going to back date the Boston hackfest one. | May 04 11:14 |
| bryce | Mc, quite true, certainly. I just need to scrape some time together for sending some emails | May 04 11:15 |
| ryangorley | docotormon: Ah okay, then Mc can write it :) | May 04 11:15 |
| bryce | ACTION: Initial planning/contacts for Outreachy [bryce] | May 04 11:15 |
| ryangorley | doctormon ^^ | May 04 11:15 |
| bryce | ACTION: Put together article on website about LGM event [Mc, doctormon] | May 04 11:16 |
| bryce | hi ryangorley btw, glad to see you back above water :-) | May 04 11:16 |
| ryangorley | ish... | May 04 11:16 |
| ryangorley | :) | May 04 11:16 |
| bryce | any other action items to record? | May 04 11:17 |
| *tedg hands bryce the gavel | May 04 11:17 | |
| bryce | === Other Business === | May 04 11:17 |
| bryce | a few other little news items | May 04 11:18 |
| bryce | I hear inkscapeforum.com is down. I gather prkos is working on setting up our replacement. | May 04 11:18 |
| Mc | ah also in a bit more than a week I'll probably apply to become pixman maintainer because there is litteraly no one there | May 04 11:18 |
| bryce | I've got DNS set up for the hosted machines. devel-01.inkscape.org is the one assigned to prkos | May 04 11:18 |
| bryce | Mc, I saw that mentioned in irc. congrats or sympathies, plus thanks | May 04 11:19 |
| bryce | Mc, how did that come about? | May 04 11:19 |
| Mc | ? | May 04 11:19 |
| bryce | Mc, just wondering if you've had discussions with other pixman developers about taking over maintenance | May 04 11:20 |
| Mc | only with pq on #freedesktop | May 04 11:20 |
| Mc | but i'm still hoping on receiving any feedback on the ml and that anyone knowing pixman can become maintainer instead of me | May 04 11:21 |
| bryce | doctormon, devel-02.inkscape.org is the default name for the web staging host, although I know you have a domain name for it already | May 04 11:21 |
| Mc | What I suspect is that anyone in the ml is afraid to say anything positive (or anything at all) in the fear that as the only person alive they'll have to review, merge, and release, and basically become maintainer | May 04 11:22 |
| bryce | I've successfully done an ansible deployment of our new mailman service, and it looks good. I still need to set up a few administrative bits and pieces, and we need to figure out how to get archives transferred but think this will be done in the not too distant future. | May 04 11:23 |
| bryce | Mc, hah, that could be! | May 04 11:23 |
| bryce | Mc, well you have my support and I'd be happy to assist where you need it | May 04 11:24 |
| Moini | bryce, thanks for the mailing list work! | May 04 11:24 |
| Mc | ml is a dire need, sourceforge is very buggy | May 04 11:25 |
| Mc | days of delay | May 04 11:25 |
| bryce | yeah... | May 04 11:25 |
| bryce | the new host seems super solid, I think once we move it'll be tons better | May 04 11:25 |
| bryce | bugtracker will probably be next infrastructure item after that | May 04 11:26 |
| Tavmjong | Sourceforge is rejecting my emails.. | May 04 11:26 |
| Tavmjong | Seems my internet provider has been labeled a source of spam. | May 04 11:27 |
| Tavmjong | (free.fr) | May 04 11:27 |
| bryce | I'm still not totally sure what the plan should be there, ideas need to gel a bit more. But there's been good discussion on the gitlab ticket. | May 04 11:27 |
| Mc | Tavmjong: yeah, it happens | May 04 11:27 |
| bryce | it looks pretty certain we'll move to gitlab, mostly just needing to figure out how we want to organize it. | May 04 11:27 |
| bryce | Tavmjong, yeah I notice conservancy bounces your emails too :-/ | May 04 11:28 |
| bryce | I get them though, and my spam rules are pretty extreme | May 04 11:28 |
| Tavmjong | They might be using the same spam filtering site. | May 04 11:29 |
| bryce | on the Print development, the discussion has died down but I have been working on collecting all the advice into a draft of a preliminary development plan, that I'll post to propose soonish | May 04 11:29 |
| Mc | Tavmjong: iirc one of free's servers is in spamcop or something like that | May 04 11:29 |
| bryce | we've had several potential sponsors interested in that, so hoping to get that all tied in | May 04 11:30 |
| prkos | do you have any preferences for LAMP config, mysql security etc? | May 04 11:30 |
| prkos | for the server that will host the forum | May 04 11:30 |
| prkos | among other things later | May 04 11:30 |
| Mc | I have to go :( | May 04 11:30 |
| bryce | I haven't had time to work on plans for the 1.0alpha release, but that's also on the todo list. Help with bug/patch wrangling would be much appreciated | May 04 11:31 |
| bryce | Mc, thanks, cya | May 04 11:31 |
| bryce | prkos, I was assuming you'd try and replicate what Courtney uses, do we know what pieces are in the existing software stack? | May 04 11:32 |
| prkos | LAMP config isn't related to Courtneys host | May 04 11:33 |
| prkos | we need basic PHP and mysql db for the forum | May 04 11:33 |
| prkos | but since this host will be used for other Inkscape things | May 04 11:33 |
| prkos | not only forum | May 04 11:33 |
| prkos | you might have more strict requirements | May 04 11:33 |
| bryce | prkos, ok well there's your M and P. L is already in place, so just need to decide between Apache and Nginx? | May 04 11:33 |
| prkos | sure | May 04 11:34 |
| doctormon | PHP, I'm going to have to go lie down. | May 04 11:34 |
| prkos | I'll document everything I do | May 04 11:34 |
| bryce | prkos, that's a good question to ask, but probably makes more sense to just do what's expedient for now, and we can work out transitions later | May 04 11:34 |
| prkos | there are decisions to be made when installing mysql for the first time, that's why I'm asking about security | May 04 11:34 |
| bryce | prkos, thanks, yes detailed notes will be extremely helpful | May 04 11:35 |
| bryce | prkos, email me the questions and I'll assist. | May 04 11:35 |
| prkos | ty bryce | May 04 11:35 |
| bryce | ok, any other business? else let's close the meeting, sorry it's run late, totally my fault. | May 04 11:35 |
| prkos | apache then? | May 04 11:36 |
| bryce | ACTION: Follow up with prkos on requirements for inkscapeforum [bryce] | May 04 11:36 |
| bryce | prkos, sure. | May 04 11:36 |
| bryce | == End of Meeting == | May 04 11:37 |
| bryce | thanks all! | May 04 11:37 |
| Tavmjong | See ya! | May 04 11:37 |
| *tedg waves | May 04 11:37 | |
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