| ted | === START BOARD MEETING === Howdy folks! For logs, I got them exporting from RocketChat and up to the Wiki. Which is good. | 17:02 |
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| ScislaC | Hello! | 17:02 |
| ted | One thing that I noticed we stopped doing is putting the agenda in the chat log. Which was bad. I'm going to try and do that again. Please remind me if I forget. So agenda: === Agenda === * SFC Items (ted) * Student programs (Outreachy, GSoC, etc) (Tav) * Developer meeting update (Mc) * Vectors update (ryangorley) * Infrastructure update (doctormo) * Membership def proposal (ted) * Board Office Hours (ted) ==== SFC Items (ted) ==== From the SFC perspective I have an update on our financials: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2144408 Nothing too exciting, everyone here should realize we haven't spent any money :-) pono has sent out another time survey for a meeting with him. Please everyone fill that out. | 17:02 |
| karen | actually, you have just finally spent money on the outreachy intern :D | 17:04 |
| Mc | yay ! | 17:04 |
| Tav | Hi all! | 17:04 |
| ted | Haha, the financials are already out of date! | 17:04 |
| karen | yes things happening in real time! | 17:04 |
| adam.belis | hello | 17:04 |
| ted | WRT the Paypal in Asia issue the SFC is looking at other payment processors, but doesn't have an answer there yet. | 17:05 |
| karen | \u0001ACTION waves\u0001 | 17:05 |
| Mc | karen: hi ! | 17:05 |
| ted | That's the SFC issues I'm tracking. Anything else on SFC stuff? | 17:05 |
| Mc | two things | 17:05 |
| adam.belis | i thez have a coount trasferwise is a good option | 17:05 |
| Mc | one is related to the charter | 17:05 |
| michele | Any chance in better understanding the breakdown in Expenses: Banking Fees: ($1,423.24)? Thanks! | 17:05 |
| Mc | how to update the charter to include voting rights for non-code contributors ? | 17:06 |
| ted | @michele, I believe they're almost all Paypal fees, but I can look for more details for next month's report. Mc: I'm working on that (second to last agenda item) | 17:06 |
| michele | Thanks, @ted that would be great. | 17:07 |
| adam.belis | chesus ... thats a lot | 17:07 |
| Moini | 5% | 17:08 |
| Moini | (or 6, rather) | 17:08 |
| pono | those banking fees are over 6 months I believe | 17:08 |
| adam.belis | hmmm wireing monez wouldbe probabz better | 17:08 |
| ted | Mc: did you have a second item? | 17:08 |
| Mc | (writing) | 17:09 |
| ted | Ah, okay. I understand the privacy implications of typing notifications, but sometimes it is useful :-) | 17:09 |
| Mc | the second item would be a followup on an old topic: would it be acceptable to put an optional price on the windows store, and be compatible with SFC status ? (two possibilities here: either setup it as a paying application with unlimited unrestricted \ | 17:10 |
| pono | I don't know if we have any projects \ | 17:11 |
| ted | Mc: my understanding there is we could, we just need to ensure it is the same bits as the version we provide on our website. | 17:11 |
| Moini | What's that with the donation addon, Marc? | 17:11 |
| ted | Mc: but if I remember right, there was some objection to it in the developer community? | 17:11 |
| Mc | there were objections to making it available for a fee, yes (mine in particular) | 17:12 |
| ted | (ha, I thought it was you, but I was confused by you asking) :-) | 17:12 |
| pono | Given that Microsoft takes a cut from those sales, would redirecting to the donation site be preferrable? | 17:12 |
| Moini | So you mean, add an extension that pops up when you start the program, Marc?) | 17:12 |
| Mc | no, not an inkscape extension | 17:13 |
| Moini | Can you explain the Addon part? | 17:13 |
| Mc | @Moini We could make and sell \ | 17:14 |
| Moini | Ah! | 17:14 |
| Mc | pono: in theory yes but I don't expect the same people \ | 17:14 |
| ted | K, so I'll track getting some guidance from SFC about do's and don'ts -- is Windows our main concern? Steam? (I think Krita has success there) | 17:14 |
| Mc | steam is a juge PITA (according to the krita devs) | 17:14 |
| ted | Ah, okay. I'll try to get an answer for the next meeting. ==== Student programs (Outreachy, GSoC, etc) (Tav) ==== @Tav (not sure if the other works) | 17:15 |
| Tav | Things seem to be going well. Some students are making great progress. I haven't tracked all the students. | 17:16 |
| karen | ted: yeah, better for us to understand what you'd like to do. We're ok charging fees via a platform provided we're meeting the license obligations and also people are not misled from a free software advocacy perspective | 17:16 |
| Tav | We need to ask all of them for blog posts. | 17:16 |
| adam.belis | i tam tracking som projects | 17:17 |
| Mc | first eval is coming soon | 17:17 |
| ted | Makes sense. Do we have any that we think are failing? | 17:17 |
| adam.belis | i would not say failing but som could get some more help | 17:17 |
| Mc | Some I haven't seen for some time on #inkscape-devel | 17:17 |
| adam.belis | Osama.Ahmad is often asking stuff about bool gemometry | 17:18 |
| Tav | We may be using private chat too often. Would be better on team_devel. | 17:18 |
| ted | K, do we need another project-wide checkup? (I have been guilty of doing a bunch of PMs myself) | 17:18 |
| Mc | Adam is harassing my student with bug reports on the MR :D | 17:19 |
| adam.belis | hehe thats what i do | 17:19 |
| ted | Haha, keep it up! | 17:19 |
| adam.belis | Parth has ben extremly good wit with fixig them | 17:20 |
| Mc | yes | 17:20 |
| adam.belis | aculy his MR is lik 95 percent done | 17:20 |
| Mc | I'll try to make a mentor meeting next week before the evals | 17:21 |
| ted | Sounds good. | 17:21 |
| Tav | SushantAA is making good progress too. | 17:22 |
| ted | And I'm guessing we have no info about a mentor summit that we have to deal with. That'll be later. Great to see many of the projects doing well. | 17:22 |
| adam.belis | i am also testing slayersansh export dialog it starts looking good | 17:22 |
| ted | ==== Developer meeting update (Mc) ==== | 17:22 |
| Tav | Next one is after this meeting. | 17:24 |
| ted | Any issues/major updates everyone needs to know about? | 17:25 |
| Mc | nope | 17:25 |
| ted | Cool. Short agenda item :-) | 17:25 |
| Mc | ^^ | 17:25 |
| ted | ==== Vectors update (ryangorley) ==== | 17:25 |
| Mc | next vectors meeting is tomorrow I think ^^ | 17:25 |
| ted | @ryangorley | 17:25 |
| ryangorley | Yep | 17:26 |
| Moini | Not sure if Ryan is here, but Michèle might have some fresh info. | 17:26 |
| Moini | Ah :) | 17:26 |
| ryangorley | Sorry I thought the meeting was in an hour, in a meeting with a client :grimacing: | 17:26 |
| michele | I can share some news. | 17:26 |
| kavya.jaiswal | kavya.jaiswal | 17:27 |
| michele | We held our monthly Gimpscape-Inkscape gathering on Wednesday, June 30. @kavya.jaiswal our Outreachy intern presented a bit about her work, which was well received. | 17:27 |
| adam.belis | we got one converted mac developer from mac blogpost | 17:27 |
| michele | @raniaamina co-hosts. We had a presentation by Kirsten Roth-Koch from the Netherlands https://lumbung.gimpscape.org/lain-lain/materi-presentasi-kirsten-k/ who shared a bit about how she created cards for children to learn how to do different calisthenics and she's offering them for free and inviting people to translate them. Next month (no date yet) we'll be hearing from Herbanu who is a font designer. Hoping maybe to get someone from Inkscape to come and say a few words too. | 17:27 |
| raniaamina | raniaamina | 17:27 |
| Moini | Two potential candidates, even, Adam! | 17:28 |
| Mc | @ædam.belis cool ! | 17:28 |
| adam.belis | oh yes acutaly | 17:28 |
| adam.belis | one say he has proposal for better zoom preformnce and wil open mr in few days | 17:28 |
| michele | Also, we put out a call for macOS developers to see if we could recruit a volunteer contributor... not sure if anyone heard the call. I thought I spotted someone mentioning it in the mac_dev channel. More news would be terrific. | 17:29 |
| Moini | You've probably been typing and not reading, Michèle :) | 17:29 |
| michele | Yes, actually, I was attempting to report. Chat meetings can be a little messy. | 17:30 |
| Moini | We've had at least two potential new contributors join the macOS chat. | 17:30 |
| michele | Perhaps we could add that information to the issue, so that we can look back and see how things worked. | 17:30 |
| adam.belis | also gtk mac dev said the he will help if sombody will ask spesific questions | 17:31 |
| ted | That's all really great, awesome progress! | 17:31 |
| Moini | (no pressure on you, new contributors, lol, we're just measuring our own performance ;-) ) | 17:31 |
| adam.belis | bad news is that it looks like we will need to migrate to gtk4 if we want to get any significant speed on mac | 17:31 |
| c.rogers | If the same can be said for Windows, we really need to. | 17:31 |
| c.rogers | Well, we need to do something for it. lol | 17:32 |
| ted | Yeah, which is probably inevitable. But sucks as GTK4 is so new it is harder to develop against. Glad the GTK folks realized the problem and fixed it, but hate that the ball is in our court :-) | 17:32 |
| Tav | Why is GTK4 faster than GTK3 (maybe a question for the developers meeting)? | 17:32 |
| adam.belis | yop i would keep this for dev meet | 17:33 |
| michele | @c.rogers perhaps we could look at writing out in an issue some of the main points, as Rene did for the macOS dev need. We can then get it into a news article and on social media. Perhaps this is a take away for dev and Vectors? | 17:33 |
| ted | They changed the rendering model to match what video cards do. | 17:33 |
| Mc | @Tav material acceleration and different design for widgets, iirc | 17:34 |
| ted | Basically it is like going from GL to Vulcan | 17:34 |
| adam.belis | they besicaly rewrithen whol backend coz they admited taht gtk3 just does nto work | 17:34 |
| Moini | @michele https://gitlab.com/inkscape/vectors/general/-/issues/211#note_617760353 | 17:34 |
| Tav | But, isn't the biggest factor our own code for rendering the canvas? | 17:35 |
| adam.belis | (BUT we still cannot know if gtk4 will help us) | 17:35 |
| Mc | probably not lots of time spent updating widgets, rulers, etc (like, LOTS) | 17:35 |
| Tav | OK, will be interesting to see. | 17:35 |
| adam.belis | once again that mac dev said he will help to dignostic this if somdoy will come to him | 17:36 |
| ted | Cool, thanks for stepping in @michele and great update! Exciting progress. ==== Infrastructure update (doctormo) ==== Haven't seen @doctormo, not sure if he's here today. | 17:36 |
| doctormo | @Tav Factor for speed issues? | 17:37 |
| Mc | he was here an hour ago :D | 17:37 |
| ted | Ah, cool. @doctormo, any update on infrastructure issues? | 17:38 |
| doctormo | I've heard some small amounts from Ryan about the password manager he wants, nothing from Marc about setting up the Office sharing thingy wotsit. | 17:38 |
| ted | Oh, I reached out to FOSSHost to ask them if they had any MacOS CI resources. They don't. And I asked if we bought them a machine if they could host it. They said they're out of DC space right now, but would be willing if they got more. Not sure that'll turn into anything, but figured it was worth asking. | 17:39 |
| adam.belis | rene offerd taht he would host it in his home if project bough hw | 17:40 |
| doctormo | The CI builder for windows looks like it's in better shape thanks to Patrick, not sure if he's here to share about that. But a developer meeting topic for sure. | 17:40 |
| doctormo | Wotsit -> NextCloud | 17:41 |
| Moini | Thanks, Ted, for doing that work! | 17:41 |
| Moini | (be warned, the 'office' part of it does not really work... at least in my experience) | 17:41 |
| ted | I'm fine with buying HW, I would generally like to find a place besides people's houses to put it. But, let's solve the problem. | 17:41 |
| adam.belis | perosnaly i would like to have a builder that works | 17:42 |
| Moini | (as soon as I turn on Collabora, Nextcloud basically stops working) | 17:42 |
| adam.belis | its extremly frstreing that this is taking so much time | 17:42 |
| Mc | ah, that's because collabora is serverside | 17:42 |
| doctormo | houses are fine, we should embrace the chaotic nature of our endeavour :-D | 17:42 |
| Mc | onlyoffice is clientside | 17:42 |
| ted | Love to see Rene spec out what he needs. | 17:42 |
| Moini | Thx, Mc, something new to test, then! | 17:43 |
| ted | @Mc, could you add that to the dev meeting? Let's spec out a machine and get it done. | 17:43 |
| Mc | Mh, I thought the plan was to make some space on alpha.inkscape.org and put it there ? | 17:44 |
| ted | Don't think it can do the builds, no? | 17:44 |
| doctormo | :thumbup: | 17:44 |
| doctormo | My internet is all over the place on this bus, although the New Hampshire countryside is lovely in the rain. | 17:44 |
| ted | (sorry, perhaps mixed topics, spec out a MacOS CI builder to put in Rene's house) | 17:44 |
| Mc | but he already has that ? | 17:45 |
| Moini | @RdH, if you're here, your input would help clarify things :) | 17:46 |
| RdH | RdH | 17:46 |
| adam.belis | @RdH | 17:46 |
| ted | Hmm, I'm confused then. I thought that was the issue. | 17:46 |
| doctormo | gtg! hope this was enough status! | 17:46 |
| ted | Thanks @doctormo! It seems @RdH isn't here now, but let's make sure we figure out the MacOS CI issue. Not sure if it's an M1 issue? ==== Membership def proposal (ted) ==== So I put this on the agenda so I'd get it done by this meeting... but I'm not quite there. The big feedback from Vectors was that it needed a call to action. So I'm trying to put together a proposal for the charter change that people can comment on. It most certainly won't be final, but it felt like a better call to action other than \ | 17:47 |
| Moini | Yes, exactly! Would be cool if we could do something like that every two months or so, plus maybe on occasion (like the 'define a contributor' thing). | 17:52 |
| Mc | good idea :) | 17:53 |
| ted | I was thinking perhaps we do \ | 17:53 |
| michele | Time zone-wise, were you thinking of varying it, so different people could attend? | 17:54 |
| ted | But I'm happy with what ever. We could, Dev meetings are moving? How is that working? | 17:54 |
| Moini | It surprises me every time, lol. | 17:55 |
| michele | Me too, however, when it's during my lunch time, I can attend the odd one. | 17:55 |
| Moini | I've not noticed that different persons were attending on the different days, though. | 17:55 |
| ted | Haha | 17:55 |
| adam.belis | dev meets alwas super random for me ... but than again is with mos meetings :D | 17:56 |
| ted | I guess it comes down to who we're targetting with them. | 17:56 |
| Mc | (dev meeting in 4 minutes, btw) | 17:56 |
| ted | So, I'll propose this. How about we have an office-hours in two weeks. Same time as the board meeting. See how it goes. | 17:57 |
| Moini | So the question is... does it help? I'm happy to have it move around if there's real benefit. | 17:57 |
| ted | Work on adjusting the time next. | 17:57 |
| Moini | Ohhh! Yes, let me check my calendar :) | 17:57 |
| michele | I'll read what happens. 8-) Here today as I am on vacation. | 17:57 |
| michele | That's fine! I am eager to see how it goes and how to engage on the topic after the fact. | 17:58 |
| Moini | Cool :) | 17:58 |
| michele | (long weekend) | 17:58 |
| ted | Sounds great, I'll follow up with @doctormo to get a calendar entry and @michele could you put an announcement on the Vector's agenda? | 17:58 |
| Moini | I can add calendar items, too, btw. | 17:59 |
| Moini | (for any team) | 17:59 |
| ted | Ah, cool. I didn't know that. | 17:59 |
| Moini | Friday, 16th? | 17:59 |
| michele | Go for it. @Moini! | 17:59 |
| ted | Yup! Thanks @Moini! Okay, so we're out of time and agenda items :-) | 17:59 |
| Moini | I'll add it to the board team, for lack of a better place. | 18:00 |
| ted | === END BOARD MEETING === | 18:00 |
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