Whoo! Hoo! Meeting time.
Am I the only one here?
|Mc||I don't think so||18:04|
|pono||I'm here :)||18:04|
|ted||Checking the RC bridge and it seems to be sending messages as well.|
I guess changing the week messed everyone up.
|Mc||here it's mostly a non-working day||18:05|
|ted||Ah, so perhaps people are with family.|
Anyway, I don't have much to say other than the votes stuff on the mailing list.
I'll try to get those closed and the docs updated.
And the financial report is here: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2205952
There's basically no change.
SFC is still working on changing payment processors, hoping for this month or next.
|Mc||I don't have access||18:07|
|ted||Mc: Do you have any thing from the dev meetings?|
Mc: try again, sorry forgot to click the public box.
|Mc||not particularly, there are interrogations about the status of \||18:08|
|ted||Was that something they were working on, or a long term idea?|
I thought it was just something they thought they should do eventually.
|Mc||it was ticket 13916||18:09|
|pono||We are trying to track down all the updates to the Apple licensing agreements.|
It's been a while since we last took a look and need our legal counsel to review all the new documents.
I'll post (or have Pam) a reply when we have reviewed them.
|ted||pono: in the end though do you expect us to change the way we build binaries? Or just keep up on the legal stuff?||18:09|
|pono||I don't anticipate needing to make any changes, but can't guarantee that.||18:10|
|Mc||pono: thanks for the update :)||18:10|
|ted||K, cool. So we'll continue the way we are until we hear otherwise 😃||18:10|
|Mc||there was an idea to organize a small hackfest, maybe virtual, maybe in-person for europeans if possible in january to get to 1.1.2||18:11|
|ted||Mc: Did we need any review for the Windows store?|
Oh, that'd be a cool idea
Is LGM happening this year?
|ted||K, we might considering doing a hackfest near that as well. That's always been successful.||18:12|
|Mc||I think it will happen between april and june but there has been no announcement yet||18:12|
|Tav||Hi all, sorry to be late.||18:13|
|ted||Also, when is FOSDEM, would it make sense to do something near that? Not sure if many of our European devs go or not.||18:13|
|Mc||afaict nothing was updated since everything was ok for us @windows - there is still the question of having the account include the SFC fiscal information, and to see what can be done around monetization|
fosdem will be virtual
( https://fosdem.org/2022/news/2021-10-22-fosdem-online-2022/ )
|ted||Ah, okay. Makes sense.|
What is the conference in Germany that @moini had a hackfest with?
It was a few years back.
( https://kielux.de/ )
|ted||Sounds right. Just seeing if there's something we could work near, makes planning easier.||18:16|
|Tav||We might have a harder time finding space to share...||18:17|
|Mc||it would seem there is a talk on Inkscape by Maren tomorrow at Tux Tage||18:18|
|ted||Not sure about Europe, but at least in Texas that isn't much an issue anymore.||18:18|
|Tav||Germany's covid rate is climbing fast right now.||18:18|
|ted||Hmm, not in Germany then.||18:19|
|Tav||But by spring it will probably be down again.||18:19|
|ted||Yeah, it might make more sense to plan for Spring than Jan/Feb.||18:19|
|RdH||Sorry to intercept, I was in another appointment. macOS signing: if we are ok to continue as before, I'm going to file a reimbursement request for this year (June 2021-2022).||18:20|
I guess we need a board vote. I'll do that after I close those others.
It is $100, correct?
|RdH||99 €, so it's a bit more in $||18:22|
|ted||Ah, yes. I figured Apple charged in USD. We should be able to do Euros.|
So nice of them to tax us in local currencies 😉
|Mc||when 1€>1$ US companies tend to charge europeans with 1:1 rate||18:23|
|doctormo||Eh 1:1 is about right these days :-)||18:23|
|ted||I'd like to say that's to make the marketing budget cheaper, but I doubt that's the reason.||18:24|
|ted||So WRT to the sprint/get together thing, the biggest thing we need is a planner. Is that you Mc? Or is someone else working on it.||18:25|
|Mc||currently it's just an idea, we'd need to gauge interest||18:25|
|doctormo||Conclusion from yesterday's meeting: No organiser available currently.||18:25|
|ted||K, is that a \||18:26|
|doctormo||It's an administrative task, so I was going to ask you to ask Josh ;-)||18:26|
|ted||If we need plane tickets 8wk out, we're already middle of Jan at the absolute earliest.||18:27|
|doctormo||I don't think the idea is to have an in person event, but Mc, can you confirm?||18:27|
|Mc||I'd be open to invite people around, but mostly those who can cancel with minimal fees and issues, we can't know 2 month in advance how the situation will evolve||18:28|
|scislac[m]||So sorry to be running behind.|
Going to read the log real quick.
|Tav||We talked about an online event, with maybe a little in person meeting at Mc's work place.||18:29|
|doctormo||So no planes needed, that's a net positive.||18:29|
|ted||Haha, yeah, that's the reason!||18:30|
|Tav||We also talked about paying for a pizza for each participant.||18:30|
|Mc||Tav is a few kilometers away if he's not in the US|
|Tav||I'll almost certainly be going to Boston in January but don't know when.||18:31|
|ted||Yes, we've done that at work for team building events. I think what works best is something like an Uber Eats gift card.|
But I think that's a good idea. A shared meal, is always a good thing.
Boston in January... not for the weather 🤣
|doctormo||For the Skiing||18:32|
|Mc||sunny days and -20°C||18:32|
|ted||Okay, seems like it is an idea that needs tracking right now but doesn't have actions associated with it yet.|
Is @ryangorley here to chat about Vectors stuff?
|Tav||We need someone to manage the event. We talked about paying if necessary as running on-line events could be a lot of work.||18:34|
|ted||Hmm, okay, I wasn't invisioning something large enough to need a lot of management. Was thinking more hackfest. Open to hear what people are thinking through.|
Seeing no Ryan, @doctormo do you have anything on the infrastructure agenda?
Noticed the office instance is getting used for forms.
|doctormo||For a general schedule, no structure, I think it should be possible to put together quickly. Although the last online hackfest had a lot more things, so it took more work.||18:37|
|ted||Well, Nextcloud, called office. Not Office capital.||18:37|
|doctormo||office.inkscape.org is working well, people are starting to use it.||18:37|
(tell me if there are issues!)
|ted||Cool, any luck on a password manager?||18:38|
|doctormo||https://inkscape.org/*membership/ has three new members, Chris, Maren and Sushant. I'm monitoring it closely.||18:38|
|doctormo||No update on password manager, it's a bust, there's very few options that fit the criteria for what we do.||18:39|
|ted||Uhg, so are just gonna keep doing the GPG thing? That's not beautiful.||18:40|
|doctormo||For now, it's hideous. open to suggestions.||18:40|
|ted||Does it make sense to use a non-OSS one then? Would Lastpass or something work?|
Not my first choice, but if there isn't an OSS solution...
|doctormo||I'm not open to running that myself, but I wouldn't oppose someone else stepping in to put it together.||18:41|
|RdH||There's also a password manager that integrates with our office.inkscape.org, I forgot to ask if that has ever been investigated||18:41|
|doctormo||@RdH I don't think we've investigated that.||18:42|
|ted||@doctormo, is there a list of requirements somewhere?||18:42|
|RdH||I'll look for a link.||18:42|
|pono||I've had some luck with Bitwarden https://bitwarden.com/ and pass https://www.passwordstore.org/||18:42|
|scislac[m]||What was the issue with Bitwarden?||18:43|
|doctormo||BitWarden doesn't allow sharing of passwords, unless you buy the proprietary enterprise version.||18:44|
|doctormo||Makes it sort of pointless.||18:44|
|ted||Eh, bother. But that would be better than an all proprietary solution.||18:45|
|doctormo||So the goal isn't to provide contributors with a way to store their own passwords, the goal is: store and group manage access to shared passwords.||18:45|
|Mc||we can try the nextcloud app|
( https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/passwords )
|RdH||That might be the thing that I was talking about||18:46|
|Mc||it looks good|
@doctormo I shared a password with you
|doctormo||Works, thanks Mc||18:47|
|doctormo||OK problem solved.||18:47|
|doctormo||Also, awesome XKCD reference||18:47|
|Mc||hah, it's fun, it shows \||18:47|
|ted||Heh, making the password FranceCanBeatBritanInFootball was clever.||18:47|
|Mc||there must be a search in a breached password database||18:48|
|doctormo||Thanks @RdH for the ref, I think we can play with this and see if it does the job.||18:48|
|ted||Cool, do we have any other infrastructure needs? Seems like we're doing well with the current hosting and VMs.|
Does that have a time limit?
(or dollar amount, or whatever)
|ted||K, not gonna complain 😃||18:50|
|Mc||all our current sponsors seem to be in a \||18:50|
|ted||Okay, that was the last thing in the agenda, we've got 10 minutes. Anyone have anything additional?||18:51|
|RdH||At some point I might bring up macOS hardware (ARM) again... while Windell has provided me with the opportunity to build, I haven't gotten a working version of Inkscape yet. And debugging remotely via ssh... nope.\n(But no need to rush.)||18:52|
|doctormo||tshirt requests are being collected, a list review will happen after 22nd Nov, please fill out the form. A vote for money will happen after the list review.||18:53|
|ted||Makes sense. I think that'd be reasonable.|
(T-shirts and ARM OSX HW)
|Mc||someone mentioned, like, today, a question about ARM windows hw||18:53|
|ted||Oh, is MS still doing that? I thought they gave up.||18:54|
|Mc||afaik windows arm runs 32b win executables without issues but it's a translation, like rosetta thing||18:54|
|ted||I'll mention Inkscape runs well on the RPi 4 under Linux 😉||18:54|
|doctormo||We're getting very close to request the funding for the paid macOS speed problem. @RdH do you have any update on that?||18:55|
|Mc||ted: iirc samsung does it with a snapdragon 8x (arm) chip||18:55|
|ted||Mc: I thought they had a \||18:56|
|doctormo||ted: That's a very Gtk centric solution.||18:58|
|Mc||as long as it works…||18:58|
|doctormo||We're nowhere near a Gtk4 transition, we have Gtk3 problems that are *very serious* today. We could quit macOS releases for a few years, but we should consider fixing the issue in Gtk3.||18:59|
|RdH||Or you're already at the main dilemma.||18:59|
|ted||I'm not familiar, but I thought GTK3 to 4 was mostly about some deprecated APIs. How many of those do we use?||18:59|
|RdH||Tav has been investigating, it's a lot||19:00|
|doctormo||It's not a small transition for us.||19:00|
|RdH||Like toolbars and stuff that will have to be reworked completely||19:00|
|doctormo||But Actions moves us a great deal.||19:00|
|Mc||imo we're nearer to the gtk4 transition because we have a kind of idea of what has to be done, while I'd have no idea what is needed to make gtk3 fast for macOS if it appears that it's \||19:01|
|RdH||Should we schedule a dedicated BBB meeting talking about that dilemma?||19:01|
|Mc||we could invite a gtk dev||19:01|
|doctormo||I'd be interested to attend RdH, let me know if you need help getting a BBB link or cal set up.||19:02|
|ted||I guess my comment would be is that we need some analysis on the two paths first. A meeting doesn't result in increased understanding of the problem.||19:03|
|RdH||It's an important decision about the direction we take, I think as many core developers should be present as possible||19:03|
|Tav||Sorry, I had to play chauffeur. The GTK4 transition will be a ton of work.||19:03|
|Mc||( ted: @re:arm, it was https://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-book-s/specs/ )||19:03|
|RdH||It won't be a technical discussion IMHO||19:03|
|Mc||it might be easier to contract red hat to help us migrate :D||19:04|
|RdH||They can be contracted?||19:04|
|Mc||it's a company||19:04|
|ted||Mc: interesting, wonder what the sales are like.|
IBM has plenty of consultants.
|RdH||Since no volunteer showed up - a few people said \||19:05|
|Mc||pono: is such a thing even possible ? (asking red hat if it's possible to pay their gtk experts to help us migrate to gtk4)||19:06|
|ted||I imagine someone like Igalia would be more willing to take such a contract.||19:06|
|Tav||Gtk4 has some great features but it also has some major shortcoming that we'll need to workaround. I'm dealing with one now (tooltips or status bar updates for menu items).||19:06|
|Tav||I've solved the no icons in menus problem. Each of these things takes days to figure out.||19:07|
|pono||I don't have much experience dealing with Red Hat but can look into it.|
Igalia was the group that game to mind for me as well
|ted||K, something that needs further investigation.||19:09|
|Mc||in france we also have linagora||19:09|
|pono||\u0001ACTION will check with Karen and get back to you\u0001||19:10|
|Mc||but afaik the main gtk people are at red hat||19:10|
|ted||Yes, GTK has always been RH's library.|
But the other folks have been contracting GTK apps for a while.
I think we're done with what we'll get done in this meeting today.
A couple of exciting things to look into.
Go ahead and tag ==== END OF MEETING ==== though
Folks are welcome to keep chatting of course.
Thank you everyone!
|doctormo||this rocket does not stop.||19:13|
|doctormo||Thanks for coming pono||19:20|